True BF2 gun accuracy

[Eddy01741]

This is made from the formula at UBAR. The results are from, 3 shots (sniper rifles and shotties are exeptions), lying prone, scoped, after the showing of the overall better accuracy, there will be numbers, those are the numbers after the formula on UBAR, lower is better, and remember, these numbers are all only accuracy wise:
Assault Rifles: M16>L85>G3>AK101>AK47 .7/1.08/1.11/1.17/1.17, the AK101 is more accurate than the AK47 because it's maximum deviation cone during Full auto is 2.0 vs. 2.3 for the AK47.
Sub-mg: PP-19=MP5=TYpe 85 1.72/1.72/1.72
Carbines: G36C>QBZ-97>M4>AK-74U .4/.4725/.57/.685

I'll edit to post more later.

[WarGimp]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

Why speculate and make subjective statments on this when there's full figures right here?: http://ubar.bf2s.com/kits.php

Even when it comes down to just the accuracy of weapons, there are factors that make it NOT a cut and dry "this is better than that" issue. The L8, for example, is not bad for single shots, but it blows for fully auto. The G3 has perty good grouping, but it's short clip makes fully auto a short lived thing.

Even the SAW puts more lead in the air allowing for better chance of a hit, while the PKM is more accurate due to lower deviation build up.

I don't get the compulsion to make these lists.

[imported_Psycho]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

Why speculate and make subjective statments on this when there's full figures right here?: http://ubar.bf2s.com/kits.php

Even when it comes down to just the accuracy of weapons, there are factors that make it NOT a cut and dry "this is better than that" issue. The L8, for example, is not bad for single shots, but it blows for fully auto. The G3 has perty good grouping, but it's short clip makes fully auto a short lived thing.

Even the SAW puts more lead in the air allowing for better chance of a hit, while the PKM is more accurate due to lower deviation build up.

I don't get the compulsion to make these lists.

Yeah that is ture it does depend how you use them and what mode as if you do slow single shooting with the LA80 then you will hit them but if you use full auto you wouldn't hit them from 5 meters away.

The only way would be able to get all the variables, analyse them and determine how much each one affects a gun, then work that out for short, medium and long range, then you would be able to either average the distance to give an overall accuracy or, give 3 different accuracys for the different distances.

[WarGimp]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

Or just let people define weapons according to their personal tastes.
I hate the M-16 because I don't like it's lack of a full auto mode, but I still recognize it as a good weapon.
It all boils down to what works for you.

[bitvomit]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

Or just let people define weapons according to their personal tastes.
I hate the M-16 because I don't like it's lack of a full auto mode, but I still recognize it as a good weapon.
It all boils down to what works for you.

i happen to like the 3 round burst. it's great for sniping med to long range targets, but it does suck huge floppy donkey balls for close range fighting . i wonder how our troops get around with just 3 round bursts. or can they switch their m16's to full auto?

[WarGimp]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

I believe there's a variant of the M-16 that's converted to full auto. I've also heard stories of a "field mod" using a tab of MREs to allow an M-16A2 (standard field version) to fire full auto, but you catch hell if your caught with the mod.

The thing is, unlike in BF2, close quarters combat doesn't happen very often. US troops also have a track record for using WAY more ammo than they need to. I suspect that's about 3 quarters of the reason why they only have the burst fire option.

[Psycho-Penguin]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

I heard that the US troops in vietnam was wasting to much ammo. So when the first model of the M-16 was brougth in to the army it had a clip of was it 18 shots? and 3 round bursts to spare ammo.

I can't prove that this is the case thou.

[BirdKiller]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

I believe Vietnam M-16s had 20 rounds per magazine, some had 18-19 to prevent or decrease the chances of jamming.

[Eddy01741]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

I believe there's a variant of the M-16 that's converted to full auto. I've also heard stories of a "field mod" using a tab of MREs to allow an M-16A2 (standard field version) to fire full auto, but you catch hell if your caught with the mod.

The thing is, unlike in BF2, close quarters combat doesn't happen very often. US troops also have a track record for using WAY more ammo than they need to. I suspect that's about 3 quarters of the reason why they only have the burst fire option.

It's called the M16A3, it is the newest full auto varient of the M16, of course, the marines bypassed it to the burst fire M16A4, as they are afraid of triggerhappy troops. Plus, look at the top, the figures are in a three shot burst, lying down, prone, zoomed, that's all to it. I could spend all day finding out how good each weapon is for the amount of shots in full auto and all that crap. But this is straightforward, a reasonable situation, prone, zoomed, 3 shot burst. If you don't like this thread, you don't have to flame.Plus, UBAR only tells you the min. deviation etc., you still have to use the formula at the bottom of the kits page. SO if you don't have anything nice, or helpful, please keep your fingers to urself for this thread. I try to be informative and the first thing i get is a flame from you. Wow, this is why i don't like forums.

EDIT: And if anybody suddnely decides to be nice now. The figures for more weapons, same situation, lying down, prone, zoomed, three shot burst:
LMGs: PKM=RPK>SAW=QBZ 1.405 for all, The PKM and RPK have a lower max deviation cone on full auto. THerefore, i must say they are more accurate.
The rest of the guns are all shotties, pistols, or sniper rifles. SO i won't go into them, as you can't do a 3 round burst with any except the Jackhammer. Oh, and the PKM does not have less deviation buildup, just less maximum deviation cone. THis is why i bash you guys. One, i'm not in the best mood, two, you are wrong, look at deviation added per shot. and three, be more polite on the forums, that's what really gets me angry.

[bitvomit]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

It's called the M16A3, it is the newest full auto varient of the M16, of course, the marines bypassed it to the burst fire M16A4, as they are afraid of triggerhappy troops. Plus, look at the top, the figures are in a three shot burst, lying down, prone, zoomed, that's all to it. I could spend all day finding out how good each weapon is for the amount of shots in full auto and all that crap. But this is straightforward, a reasonable situation, prone, zoomed, 3 shot burst. If you don't like this thread, you don't have to flame.Plus, UBAR only tells you the min. deviation etc., you still have to use the formula at the bottom of the kits page. SO if you don't have anything nice, or helpful, please keep your fingers to urself for this thread. I try to be informative and the first thing i get is a flame from you. Wow, this is why i don't like forums.

wargimp wasn't flaming you, it was psycho. anyway i believe his posts were deleted so all is well in the world today.

[Eddy01741]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

wargimp wasn't flaming you, it was psycho. anyway i believe his posts were deleted so all is well in the world today.

His posts weren't deleted.

[bitvomit]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

His posts weren't deleted.

i'm not sure what happened but he was mouthing off big time with me as soon as your thread popped up and now his posts are gone except for one. anyway, back on topic...

[WarGimp]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

Oi, Eddy01741!
Yeah, no flame intended. If I made foul ups, then feel free to correct me.
On the RL weapons, I'm going on what military buddies have told me plus what I've found on the 'net.

On the PKM, yup, yer right. It's max deviation, not deviation added per shot that makes the PKM an arguably more accurate support weapon.

My intent was solely to point out that there's enough variables involved in BF2's weapons modeling to make subjective judgement the only really valid way of saying what's better than what. For you.

Otherwise, I just like to look at the stats overall without trying to make comparitive lists.

[CaptainPuffy]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

I once read an interesting statistic. It was in a book called "one shot one kill"

I dont remember the exact numbers, but you'll get the idea. In ww2, it is said that 30,000 rounds were fired for every enemy killed. In Vietnam, 200,000 rounds were fired for every enemy killed. I dont have any information to prove this, but check out the book, the stats are written in the first page.

[Eddy01741]

Re: True BF2 gun accuracy

Oi, Eddy01741!
Yeah, no flame intended. If I made foul ups, then feel free to correct me.
On the RL weapons, I'm going on what military buddies have told me plus what I've found on the 'net.

On the PKM, yup, yer right. It's max deviation, not deviation added per shot that makes the PKM an arguably more accurate support weapon.

My intent was solely to point out that there's enough variables involved in BF2's weapons modeling to make subjective judgement the only really valid way of saying what's better than what. For you.

Otherwise, I just like to look at the stats overall without trying to make comparitive lists.

Ok, now that i've cooled down after being FORCED to watch a horrible movie with my wife at the movie theater. Now, i respect your comment, sorry, i was just in a bit of a bad mood, i couldn't play BF2 the whole week, and on the friday i get to, my wife surprises me and says we're goin to the movie theater. Anyways, i am sorry if i harmed you in anyway with post.

Oh, and to Captain, that just goes to show how much more unwisely the infantary used their ammo when they get full auto weapons. They just got triggerhappy and sprayed, in WW2, people actually like aimed. WHich is probably why it took substantially less bullets to kill an enemy.