Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

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  • Chalk.One
    Battlefield Podcast Founder
    • Jul 2005
    • 383

    #31
    Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

    Originally posted by Flux_69
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    • Donkey

      #32
      Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

      Originally posted by guidon666
      OK. But who is lasing for that blackhawk? Since the game doesnt have lasing/aiming capabilities the hellfires you see on the wings are useless and would simply ground out when they dont find a laser code to lock onto.
      If what Im right in thinking what you are talking about then you could do it like the bombers w/ the co-pilot designating....

      It would be cool if they gave the BH heat seakers to get jets w/

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      • Praetorian145

        #33
        Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

        Some stuff...

        1) They arent guns, they're missiles.

        2) If they put them on n00bs would use BHs as attack choppers and it would be worse than the flag hopping.

        3) It would make attack choppers kinda pointless.

        4) The guns are already too powerful. In real life they are only 7.62mm chainguns, not fricking autocannons. Ripping apart a FAV? No problem. SHaking an IFV? Maybe. Killing a tank? No way. No matter how much you shoot it.

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        • imported_The 13th Raptor

          #34
          Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

          Originally posted by Praetorian145
          Some stuff...

          1) They arent guns, they're missiles.

          2) If they put them on n00bs would use BHs as attack choppers and it would be worse than the flag hopping.

          3) It would make attack choppers kinda pointless.

          4) The guns are already too powerful. In real life they are only 7.62mm chainguns, not fricking autocannons. Ripping apart a FAV? No problem. SHaking an IFV? Maybe. Killing a tank? No way. No matter how much you shoot it.
          Tis funny how the .50 caliber machine guns cant hurt it but 7.62 can.

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          • CS-Evolution

            #35
            Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

            Originally posted by The 13th Raptor
            Tis funny how the .50 caliber machine guns cant hurt it but 7.62 can.
            Its all about velocity. It's why a 7mm round from a rifle can put a hole in an old steel water heater and a 1911 .45 caliber can't.

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            • Wynterheart

              #36
              Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

              Originally posted by CS-Evolution
              I thought I heard you say you quit BF2 months ago...

              Just like all the others who say they quit, eh... Its like smoking or something.
              i quit for like a month then started playing again recently. i still only play for like an hour a few times a week.

              i usually play until the game ****es me off or i start swearing and get kicked off the server, which usually lasts me about that hour each time i play, lol

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              • Guidon666

                #37
                Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                Originally posted by SuperDonkey
                If what Im right in thinking what you are talking about then you could do it like the bombers w/ the co-pilot designating....

                Game wise.... could be implemented I guess.

                realisticly? I dont think a BH variant (To include the hell Hawk) had the laser designator. I very well could be wrong on this.

                But what could happen.... much like with Apache's, OH-58s and other Hellfire launching systems... Put in the right laser code. Someone - somewhere else (to include a guy on the ground with a designator) could lase the target and the missile could home in on the reflection. This is a real scenario.

                They didnt implement this in the game at all. Nor do I see them doing it.

                But I guess some coder somewhere could create something where the blackhawk could lase for itself... would simply be gamesmanship.

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                • Maxi~

                  #38
                  Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                  altered redhot ... why the hell would you do that. That is so lame and stupid. There fine the way they are. That was such a n00b question.

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                  • amish marauder

                    #39
                    Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                    My co-worker was a crew chief for one of those while in the military.
                    I haven't asked him much about it though.

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                    • ICPO

                      #40
                      Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                      Originally posted by Wynterheart
                      ****ing bh whores never quit do they?
                      Huh? Are you referring to me? And yes I realize that they own jeeps, read more carefully. ARMOR and HELICOPTERS.

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                      • Saureco

                        #41
                        Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                        I'm just glad they took out the "full Blackhawk insta-caps every flag" retardedness. It was great when I was doing it, but sucked when it happened to my team. Cake and eat it, too... But I'm glad it's balanced for all. Now, everyone has to get out to make a flag cap faster.

                        As for what the BH is equipped with, 2 relatively constant-fire chainguns that shred through infantry and light vehicles is more than enough. If you wanted more balance, I'd say revert back to the days of the fixed M60. Heavy damage, but slower fire rate and less accuracy. People forget that the BH's guns are for support and suppression, not taking the whole battlefield.

                        A good fix would be to keep the helo guns completely ineffective against heavy armor, like tanks, but have a tank shell utterly demolish a helo in one shot. Don't let the concept fool you; it's not that easy. Any pilot that thinks his chainguns will own everything deserves the flames from his passengers if they get popped by a tank.

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                        • IVfluids

                          #42
                          Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                          Originally posted by alerted_redhot
                          Yeah y dont they have the huge guns mounted on the wings?
                          Because prior to the 1.03 patch, there was no way to fit all the wrenches, medic bags and ammo bags into that helicopter, they weighed it down too much. But they could probably do it now, because you can't flip a flag like that anymore and there aren't as many people trying to jam all that excess equipment into a helicopter anymore.

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                          • -(PK)-DarkIllusion

                            #43
                            Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                            the only way u can put those missiles under the wings would b if they're ...
                            A. freakin inaccuarte.. like the stinger/IGLA,etc
                            B. limited amo can't recharge...either
                            C. they did the same damage as a stinger/igla...

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                            • DarkHorse2160

                              #44
                              Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                              Originally posted by Wynterheart
                              well the bh cannons already rip up jeeps, hummvees, and vans.

                              fly the ****ing attack helos then. the bh is used as a transport vehicle in this game, not the ****ing deathstar.

                              the bh is already overpowered as it is compared to the other transport helos.

                              ****ing bh whores never quit do they?
                              No.....we never do quit!

                              I'm just waiting for someone to put an MH60/L or K model DAP (defensive armed penetrator) into a game. I think that screenshot someone posted earlier was an attempt to portray one variation of a DAP that the developers messed with, but apparently abandoned.

                              The link below shows a DAP set up with just one of the many possible armament varitions. To make things easier on the pilot (he's already carrying a heavy load) they're most often set up with pairs of 2 different weapons on opposite sides of the aircraft to balance the load.

                              You think Blackhawks whore now? Just be VERY thankful that they're ONLY as powerful as they are!



                              Edit: and yes...I too touch myself at night

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                              • Wynterheart

                                #45
                                Re: Why Dnt Black Hawks Have The Big Guns!

                                Originally posted by ICPO
                                Huh? Are you referring to me? And yes I realize that they own jeeps, read more carefully. ARMOR and HELICOPTERS.
                                ajnd read my post more carefully, THATS WHAT THE ATTACK HELOS AND OTHER VEHICLES ARE FOR. THE BH IS NOT A FLYING BATTLE FORTRESS IN THIS GAME. ITS MEANT TO BE A TRANSPORT VEHICLE.

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