Time for a good old fasion rant

[Jesse]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

ObjectTemplate.disableWhenEmptyVehicleDelay 5 <--Not a bug

I know it's not a bug. It's something purposely added to Battlefield 2 by EA/DICE. And yes, I know about the minimap. The problem is, most people don't. And also, most people punish for TK's. I don't even see why there's a delay in it. If we had a greater draw distance for things and could get a VISUAL identification on a target sooner, we wouldn't even need the boxes at all in the first place. Sadly, the LOD draw distances are the only thing to help us distinguish between things the minimap isn't showing clearly, and they're so short, the boxes are the only substitute left in planes that are rather fast for such a short target recognition time.

[IVfluids]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

Parsed your post out a bit so that it is easier to respond to.

1) I know it's not a bug. It's something purposely added to Battlefield 2 by EA/DICE...

2) And yes, I know about the minimap. The problem is, most people don't...

3) And also, most people punish for TK's.

4) I don't even see why there's a delay in it.

5) If we had a greater draw distance for things and could get a VISUAL identification on a target sooner, we wouldn't even need the boxes at all in the first place.

6) Sadly, the LOD draw distances are the only thing to help us distinguish between things the minimap isn't showing clearly, and they're so short, the boxes are the only substitute left in planes that are rather fast for such a short target recognition time.

1) Glad we agree on that

2) Not my problem they can't learn to use a minimap, that is why they struggle with TK's.

3) If they are being punished for making bad choices repeatedly, where is the problem? I can see an issue when you are making a truly calculated risk with a bomb drop because you were just trying to help, but I do not see an issue with being punished for being ignorant.

4) Maybe they want people to think before they act?

5) People are already ****ed about not being able to fight back from the jets and their bombing runs, and you want to be able to drop them from an even higher height? How much easier is it supposed to be? Is it that hard to see that a base is cleared before you break into view of a base and get targeting info, because I do not seem to have that problem.

6) see #5

I am not trying to belittle anyone with this post either, I just don't seem to pick up alot of tk's unless I make bad choices or chose to ignore my minimap in general.

[Jesse]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

1) Glad we agree on that

2) Not my problem they can't learn to use a minimap, that is why they struggle with TK's.

3) If they are being punished for making bad choices repeatedly, where is the problem? I can see an issue when you are making a truly calculated risk with a bomb drop because you were just trying to help, but I do not see an issue with being punished for being ignorant.

4) Maybe they want people to think before they act?

5) People are already ****ed about not being able to fight back from the jets and their bombing runs, and you want to be able to drop them from an even higher height? How much easier is it supposed to be? Is it that hard to see that a base is cleared before you break into view of a base and get targeting info, because I do not seem to have that problem.

6) see #5

1) Yep. :)
2) The problem I see with a minimap situation, is either zoom in and only be able to see about as far as you can see, thus making it a hassle to use, or zoom out and make it more obscure. In situations where your ground troops NEED the support, this can be come a hassle. Of course, people that just don't understand a minimap entirely, I agree, it's their problem if they don't even recognize it at all.
3)Bad choices repeatedly? No problem. The problem is, if you have something showing up as an enemy on your HUD, and you know a vehicle is there pinning your team down, you bank around and bomb it, and get two TK's because the 5 second delay wasn't up after a friendly got out of it, you'll still get punished 99% of the time.
4)With the way Battlefield 2 is designed? I think EA/DICE wanted to take as much thinking out of the game as possible, which is one of the reasons I'm currently not playing it, but DC for 1942 rather. :p
5) & 6) Agreed, there rarely are any good pilots to take down the jets. And the AA on the ground should never have been given the ability to track things and simply dumbfired. (let's face it, it'd be much better :p ) In the game overall though, I still think the drawdistances for most things need to be increased as the game seems cramped to me, especially on the occasion that I fly.

[IVfluids]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

5) & 6) Agreed, there rarely are any good pilots to take down the jets. And the AA on the ground should never have been given the ability to track things and simply dumbfired. (let's face it, it'd be much better :p ) In the game overall though, I still think the drawdistances for most things need to be increased as the game seems cramped to me, especially on the occasion that I fly.

Yah, I routinely chase after other jets (and the occasional heli) because just dropping bombs gets a bit boring after a while. Too bad most people only give a **** about getting a high score and only learning half of what a jet is capable of doing in this game. Personally, I think any base that has a stationary AA missile emplacement, should be complimented with an AA gun (zpu or equivilant).

I do miss the big maps like Gazala, El Al and Shield on DC. I play DC still, here and there, hard to get the GSN server back to what it was after the regulars and us admins abandoned it for BF2 though.

[Jesse]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

I do miss the big maps like Gazala, El Al and Shield on DC. I play DC still, here and there, hard to get the GSN server back to what it was after the regulars and us admins abandoned it for BF2 though.

Gimmie the AH-6 in DC and I'll go toe to toe with any jet in the game. Much more proficient with that thing against jets. Only thing I'm better with at taking down airplanes is the SA-3, and I get quite a few complaints for taking out both flying targets and ground targets with it.

[2(x)ist]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

was that a rant it was like a whole three sentences long. I can rant on the udder stupiness of people when im trying to use a jet for at least five or six pages worth. Then write a book and in a few years down the line sell the rights to that book to some hollywood producer and have it turned into a straight to dvd movie. Which i can then get on here and post about my rant turned into a book turned into to a movie then a dvd for another five or six pages......see a vicious cycle :)

[N2K]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

amazingly i was able to bomb out 3-4 tanks and apc camping on our main, uncappable base at Fusse, or how its spelled, with out getting an TKs, i was able to fly low enough to make both bombs heat each tank and apc, there should be a Base Defense point, like Flag Defend

[Firenze]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

Because I finaly manage to fly a jet and kill with it, I fly a lot lately, but you just can't take off with a jet without TK some moron walking under/in front of it just because he wanted the jet.
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both these stupid teamkills wich I can't do anything about it have kicked me from many servers, this realy sucks.

Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned rant!

My rant is about those friggin rude vehicle whores.

The scenario; I'm waiting on the carrier for a jet. One of ours was just shot down, so I know it's only a few seconds away. Here comes the respawned pilot, and he crowds me, as to take the plane. He pops a smoke grenade to obscure sight, and grabs the jet before I can.

He's not a good pilot, so he's crashed/downed is about 20-30 seconds. The whole thing starts over. He's back crowding me for the jet. I type in "MY PLANE," which he ignores. He grabs the jet before I can hit the "E" key. This time I shoot him down on his vertical take off with an AT round.

Of course I get punished for the TK.

And it starts over. He's back crowding me for the jet. He types in "GO DO SOMETHING ELSE." Like his friggin name is stenciled on the jet! He grabs the jet before I can hit the "E" key. And he gets shot down with an AT round.

So I wind up getting kicked for TK's.

Hey, I realize that I'm still somewhat of a noob, but wait your goddam turn for a vehicle!

I was since told that you can hold down the "E" key. Maybe that will help in grabbing the jets faster.

Also, If someone has eaten a big bowl of stupid for breakfast, and crosses a runway with a jet on takeoff, he deserved to be killed!

Personally, I don't punish for an accidental TK. Intentional is another story.

[CS-Evolution]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

Nothing wrong with a good old fashioned rant!

My rant is about those friggin rude vehicle whores.

The scenario; I'm waiting on the carrier for a jet. One of ours was just shot down, so I know it's only a few seconds away. Here comes the respawned pilot, and he crowds me, as to take the plane. He pops a smoke grenade to obscure sight, and grabs the jet before I can.

He's not a good pilot, so he's crashed/downed is about 20-30 seconds. The whole thing starts over. He's back crowding me for the jet. I type in "MY PLANE," which he ignores. He grabs the jet before I can hit the "E" key. This time I shoot him down on his vertical take off with an AT round.

Of course I get punished for the TK.

And it starts over. He's back crowding me for the jet. He types in "GO DO SOMETHING ELSE." Like his friggin name is stenciled on the jet! He grabs the jet before I can hit the "E" key. And he gets shot down with an AT round.

So I wind up getting kicked for TK's.

Hey, I realize that I'm still somewhat of a noob, but wait your goddam turn for a vehicle!

I was since told that you can hold down the "E" key. Maybe that will help in grabbing the jets faster.

Also, If someone has eaten a big bowl of stupid for breakfast, and crosses a runway with a jet on takeoff, he deserved to be killed!

Personally, I don't punish for an accidental TK. Intentional is another story.

So what your saying is you're as big of an ******* as he is? Congrats. It's not YOUR PLANE. Maybe he was being a ****, but that doesn't give you the right to blast him out of the sky. Be the bigger man.

[Firenze]

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So what your saying is you're as big of an ******* as he is? Congrats. It's not YOUR PLANE. Maybe he was being a ****, but that doesn't give you the right to blast him out of the sky. Be the bigger man.

Your interpretation of my statement. Congrats to you as well.

My interpretation? I showed a phuckwad that he is being just that. Maybe he took it to heart. Probably not. I have gotten these lowlifes booted from servers before. 99% of the time I am the bigger man. You just get to a point where it's absurd.

[CS-Evolution]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

My interpretation? I showed a phuckwad that he is being just that. Maybe he took it to heart. Probably not. I have gotten these lowlifes booted from servers before. 99% of the time I am the bigger man. You just get to a point where it's absurd.

So lets teamkill everyone who ****es us off in one way or another? I retract my statement. You are a MUCH larger ******* than he is.

Yes, people should play nice and share. No, you should not teamkill them when they don't. Just move on, find another server, etc... because you are just giving those people satisfaction by playing along.

[IVfluids]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

Your interpretation of my statement. Congrats to you as well.

My interpretation? I showed a phuckwad that he is being just that. Maybe he took it to heart. Probably not. I have gotten these lowlifes booted from servers before. 99% of the time I am the bigger man. You just get to a point where it's absurd.

Honestly, I do the same thing, only I tk them before the plane spawns. I am kind enough that if a person was waiting there before me, I let him get in it first, it's the same kind of courtesy I expect to be returned to me also. And because I expect that, if I am standing there waiting for the present idiot to kill himself in a jet and some other moron decides to try and jump line, I knife his ass a few seconds before I feel the jet is going to pop up. He either gets the hint or I get booted, at least he knows how I feel about the what he plans on doing. I honestly don't see anything wrong with you doing that to people that have no etiquette.

It's the same etiquette that you expect at a stop sign, if someone was there before you at a four way stop, you let the other person go first. If you were there first, he should let you go, or end up getting the middle finger. The only thing stopping it from turning into a fender bender is that there are real life implications involved, unlike video game land.

I shouldn't have to move on and play on someone elses server when it is my server. Getting tk'ed is being nice, I could kick or ban their asses, it's a lesson learned and a warning for them.

[CS-Evolution]

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Well, since generally BF2 etiquette is to TK the person whether they were there before you or not, maybe I should thank you.

Its a shame that if someone can't get a plane when they want it, they have to resort to teamkilling. There's lots of other vehicles, infantry classes, etc. But, like our friend Firenze always says...

MY PLANE

*sigh*

[Firenze]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

Honestly, I do the same thing, only I tk them before the plane spawns. I am kind enough that if a person was waiting there before me, I let him get in it first, it's the same kind of courtesy I expect to be returned to me also. And because I expect that, if I am standing there waiting for the present idiot to kill himself in a jet and some other moron decides to try and jump line, I knife his ass a few seconds before I feel the jet is going to pop up. He either gets the hint or I get booted, at least he knows how I feel about the what he plans on doing. I honestly don't see anything wrong with you doing that to people that have no etiquette.

It's the same etiquette that you expect at a stop sign, if someone was there before you at a four way stop, you let the other person go first. If you were there first, he should let you go, or end up getting the middle finger. The only thing stopping it from turning into a fender bender is that there are real life implications involved, unlike video game land.

I shouldn't have to move on and play on someone elses server when it is my server. Getting tk'ed is being nice, I could kick or ban their asses, it's a lesson learned and a warning for them.

I guess it's semantics. IMHO, TK'ing before they take the plane (that you've been waiting for) is a different story. But thanks for the support!

It seems as if expecting some etiquette is asking for too much from some people. I guess one could start a server, and enforce what rules one sees fit, such as no itentional TK's or vehicle whoring.

[vbl]

Re: Time for a good old fasion rant

And people wonder why some of us don't bother flying in BF2.

The jeeps are my best friends!