A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

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  • imported_Underpant

    #1

    A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

    Alright, I've seen my share of horrible gunners. Some are bad, and some are just unintelligent. This post will deal with the latter. Sorry if it seems like a rant at times. My goal as a pilot is to get the gunner as many kills as possible. I'd be ecstatic if I ended up with no kills by the end of the round, and you had 70. I don't ever want to have to kill someone. Most of my kills come from taking out the enemy chopper anyways.

    First of all, I'd like to say NEVER open up on a target such as the cobra or a tank with the cannons if they don't see us. You might as well say "Hey I'm an idiot and I will be easy to shoot down"

    1. Are we in the MEC Mi-28 Havoc?
    This chopper deserves a section of it's own.
    Armor: I will first set you up for a TV Guided missile, you just point and click, it's really not that tough. I don't know how people miss so often. If it's an APC I will let you just take it out with your cannon. If you fail on the I will do it myself.
    Light armored vehicle: Your cannon is god.
    Enemy cobra
    He doesn't see us: Hellfire, point & click. If you miss and he's just hovering, I'll let you go again, if you miss again go after it with your cannon unless we're at a distance where my missiles would be more efficient.
    He sees us and chances are he is dancing around: Blaze the cannon, if you get a shot where you have better than a 50% chance of hitting, take it, otherwise, do not let up on the cannon. I will likely finish him off.

    Are we in the USMC Cobra or PLA POS errr V-10?
    Armor: Hellfire
    Light vehicle: Cannons, possibly a hellfire for the vodnik.
    Chopper
    He doesn't see us, and I swear to god if you shoot him with the cannon I will reach foreward and slap you. Use the hellfires, even if you miss, don't shoot him with the cannon. I will get the job done myself. Dogfighting any chopper when in the cobra is cake.
    He see's us, I will try to get out of his gunner's cone while shooting missiles myself, I will hit 2 or 3, he will be smoking and you will finish the job with the cannons. Blaze the cannons as long as the chopper is in your cone, no reason not to.


    Any chopper
    AA emplacement: Blow that thing away, hell blow it away even if there is noone in it, I wish ALL gunners blew away the AA first. The best risk is no risk.
    If we hear a random lock and we're around land, I will strafe around then point you at the nearest AA, I've played 300 hours and know where every damned AA post is on every map (I am such a nerd). You will shoot at it, if there is noone near it, I'll continue on assuming it was a jet.
    I look back at my 6 every so often, but sometimes I'm too busy flying. I'd love it if you checked back there once and a while and quickly tell me.
    If you don't like how I am flying, tell me, but not in a rude way, and NEVER blame me for your death. Even if I crash, it was a priveledge to fly with me. I'll give you a chance to fly if you would really like. Earlier in sharqi I got one gunner 19 kills, and accidently hit a tree. Somehow he got mad at me.
    The only time I will ever hover is when I want you to do something such as blow away the UAV, or hell maybe there is a guy on the ground you don't see, look. If you see an APC, tank or a chopper, SPOT IT if you want it gone.
    Never bail out of my chopper unless we're on fire. Even then I'm going down with it. I love when the enemies bail out of their choppers, they never live.
    If I'm flying erractically, I'm probably a little frustraited with the rest of the gunners I've had that day.
    I will probably invite you into my squad and communicate via VOIP.
    No matter how this guide sounds, I'm generally a nice guy. I will offer criticism first. Feel free to tell me what I'm doing wrong, that's how I learned to fly.
    AMMO IS FREE!!!- You're called a gunner for a reason. Gun. The government pays for all the ammo we want. They pay to bring us home alive, not the ammo. I've heard "There is noone to shoot at, why would I" hundreds of times. Do it just to please me if we're at an enemy base chances are there are people in it.
    Please don't get out to help advance the flag faster, it may result in both of us dying. It is very rare that I will try to cap a flag though, we're an attack chopper for a reason, hovering usually turns out bad.
    Alright, so you're a bad gunner, I will try to make you better, try the Hellfires, thats the only way you'll get better.

    I think I've covered everything I wanted to cover. Feel free to add anything in that I missed.
  • Marwin_42

    #2
    Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

    Nice thread! Thanks for the effort!

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    • Strega

      #3
      Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

      I disagree with your points about the gunner using the chaingun on armor. It's a lot like Chinese Water Torture. Sure, after 3 days of dripping water on someone's forehead, you're gonna make them go crazy, but for the first couple minutes all you are gonna do is **** them off and alert them where you are.

      He doesn't see us, and I swear to god if you shoot him with the cannon I will reach foreward and slap you.
      Looks like you read my post a few times :)



      :)

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      • imported_Underpant

        #4
        Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

        The only chain gun I'd ever want them to use on armor is the Mi-28's. It takes the APC out in I'd say no more than 12-14 shots. I've taken out smoking tanks before witht he chaingun, but I do agree with you, if my gunner started shooting the Z-10 pea shooter at an enemy tank, I'm flying into the water.

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        • rombaft

          #5
          Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

          actualy I have more problems with the pilots who don't care about there gunner or don't know what there gunner sees or something, some gunners just suck because they are blind

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          • Varsol

            #6
            Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

            That's it, I'm working on a gunners guide to being a good pilot. It seems everyone craps on the gunners, when there are plenty of dumb pilots to go around.

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            • CS-Evolution

              #7
              Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

              Originally posted by Varsol
              That's it, I'm working on a gunners guide to being a good pilot. It seems everyone craps on the gunners, when there are plenty of dumb pilots to go around.
              It has already been done.

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              • Varsol

                #8
                Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                Originally posted by CS-Evolution
                It has already been done.
                Right you are, less work for me

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                • hollowpoint367

                  #9
                  Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                  Originally posted by Strega
                  I disagree with your points about the gunner using the chaingun on armor. It's a lot like Chinese Water Torture. Sure, after 3 days of dripping water on someone's forehead, you're gonna make them go crazy, but for the first couple minutes all you are gonna do is **** them off and alert them where you are.



                  Looks like you read my post a few times :)



                  :)
                  I re-read your post again for like the billionth time, just cause its so funny.

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                  • [UT]MajorHavoc

                    #10
                    Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                    Underpant, do you have xfire? i've been trying to get the heli ribbon for ages, there always seem to be dumbass pilots who don't line up, try to cap flags (without even bothering to clear up the base first), parachute out of a chopper when over a base and all sorts of other dumb $hit whenever i play.

                    i've played with some good pilots also (Smigg, Riggz-TPF, SophieLee, PoW_Major_C), so props to you guys, just not long enough.

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                    • Reider

                      #11
                      Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                      come to think of it... I think i've met like 4/5 really good pilots. Its really ****ing me off when someone cant fly and still go's for pilot seat :S just as much as gunners **** me off when i line them up for a tv guided and all they do is shoot their gun till its overheated

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                      • BeerStein

                        #12
                        Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                        Right now I am in the stages of piloting like a drunken teenager - in a few more hours I will be back to being in my prime. Using this new joystick system has been a bit tricky. My plane skillz are now at 150% of what they used to be - which I am very happy about, and my chopper skillz are at about 75%. I will still set up the gunner like crazy - just takes me a few seconds longer to maneuver it than it used to.

                        I could not agree with your post more though. As cocky as you come off - I feel the same way, and a couple weeks ago my piloting skills backed that up.

                        I consider myself to be a bit of an officianado with the gunner seat. I can hit anything you put in my tv view....anything - including chasing planes down if I get the shot off in time.

                        I use the cannon as a last resort when at a distance, or when I am out of missles. I love nothing more than taking out targets before they can even begin to see us.

                        Like yourself - I know every AA on all the maps, and I will gun them down. I also know all the aa tank spawns and will take them out before they can even move, especially if we are going in for support or to help with a cap. I call it preventative maintenance. Once I start taking out armor on a map, I notice more and more vehicles abandoned when we get within view - I will still take them out. STFU for trying to hop out and repair or get away. If you made it out alive - sorry but you are walking back to base...or until I gun you down with the cannon after I killed your ride - heh.

                        TV first, if by chance I do not get it, I will switch to guns for the reload and pepper them (unless we are not a known target yet) - once reloaded (no wasted idle time) I will take it out. If by slim chance in hell I missed a second time, I would expect to see you going in for rockets by the time I am in my gun view.

                        One thing for pilots to remember - once you see my missle take off, or hear me say "fired" - MOVE - no need to sit there and hover while I am guiding my shot. If they did not see us, they will follow the trail, or their friends that did not get hit will. By the time I get back to cockpit tv view, I am reloaded and ready for my next target - which if you are good pilot, you already have in my view.

                        Nothing frustrates me more as a gunner than a pilot who thinks that the reload time on the missles are my fault. I will tell you when they are loaded if you need me to - but you should know better than thinking I will fire off another shot as soon as the first leaves.

                        Also - more so since the latest patch - there are missfires with the TV. 3 ways it does.
                        1. You hear the shot fire - and see it fire - but you never go into chase cam and cannot guide it
                        2. You click fire, and all that happens is the ammo goes clear - no reload indication, no fire indication - it is actually reloading, and once loaded - it will come back to view.
                        3. You hit fire, no sound, just instant start to reload - minus a missle that never fired.

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                        • imported_Underpant

                          #13
                          Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                          Yeah, I've experianced all 3 of those bugs. I'd much rather gun than pilot, but if you want something done right, you must do it yourself. I too rarely ever miss a TV. I don't know how people miss so often, it's point click, and adjust.

                          What happens most often:
                          I find a hovering attack chopper, gunner may shoot a TV at it, and misses most of the time, then he pulls out the cannons. I say to myself "wtf" then sigh. I then hope the enemies gunner is an equal idiot, because I think I have an upperhand on most pilots.

                          Also, it took me forever to get used to the joystick with a chopper, but once you learn it, you'll be suprised how good it is. The hardest part to learn is hovering. I can hover flawlessly now over the airfield without any movement, but it's a little tricky to begin with, and there's never really a reason to hover.

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                          • Hugh G. Wrection

                            #14
                            Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                            But yours tips are still pointless, Underpant. Why? Cause you can't play on every server at the same time all the time.

                            Instead, we have chopper pilots who use one and only one weapon -- their own rockets. I have only encountered 2 pilots that ever actually lined up a tv missile for me when in the gunner seat. Instead, they fire all their rockets and then immediately head back to reload.

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                            • imported_Underpant

                              #15
                              Re: A Pilot's guide on how to be a SMART gunner.

                              Originally posted by Hugh G. Wrection
                              But yours tips are still pointless, Underpant. Why? Cause you can't play on every server at the same time all the time.

                              Instead, we have chopper pilots who use one and only one weapon -- their own rockets. I have only encountered 2 pilots that ever actually lined up a tv missile for me when in the gunner seat. Instead, they fire all their rockets and then immediately head back to reload.

                              In defense of those pilots, maybe they are tired of having crappy gunners too. :hmm:

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