Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

[Harmor]

I was playing Mastuur and we got into the Blackhawk. The Blackhawk pilot flew us over an enemy base. We jumped out, killed them and then capped the flag.

Now why do BH pilots leave without picking us up? Is there a learning curve? Are BH pilots not used to this? Don't they know the 4 of us can HELP him at the next flag...but no what I see is a kill message about 30 seconds later as he's shot down by a tank or Vodik.

[TheEn|gma]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Now why do BH pilots leave without picking us up? Is there a learning curve? Are BH pilots not used to this?

Maybe he was going to go back to a base and ferry some more friendly troops to the action as the BH was designed for? and yes I think it is a learning curve, as was the BH whoring in 1.02 and previous patches.

[ice252]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Anyone want to right a quick guide on landing the bh. Because I found whenever I'm trying to land or hover, I always overshoot the target.

[wbcninjaofmist]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

I was playing Mastuur and we got into the Blackhawk. The Blackhawk pilot flew us over an enemy base. We jumped out, killed them and then capped the flag.

Now why do BH pilots leave without picking us up? Is there a learning curve? Are BH pilots not used to this? Don't they know the 4 of us can HELP him at the next flag...but no what I see is a kill message about 30 seconds later as he's shot down by a tank or Vodik.

Those pilots are the same noob idiots that ride past groups of walking teammates who request rides...... they go as fast as they can to the flag "alone" and hop out and are dead and laying there when picking up the other teammates wouldve helped give em alteast a fighting chance , and picking up the medic who asked for a pickup is a no brianer. It really baffles me how stupid some people are in this game - riding off in empty vehicles n sh*t so silly.

[wbcninjaofmist]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Anyone want to right a quick guide on landing the bh. Because I found whenever I'm trying to land or hover, I always overshoot the target.

:laugh: heh i had my laugh for the day.. If u think the choppers are hard to fly in this game you wouldnt even want to walk near the landing strip in bfv

[ConscriptVirus]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

well most ppl just stay theer after capping a flag ot defend against a counter-attack...i mean its kindof like stat padding to have a sqaud cap a flag leave and let it be capped again..and then theres the cycle

[Guidon666]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

:laugh: heh i had my laugh for the day.. If u think the choppers are hard to fly in this game you wouldnt even want to walk near the landing strip in bfv

Pffffff. A guide to land it?

I am in still need of a guide on how to 1) take off, 2)not wobble as though I had been drinking all night, 3) Not run into the 1st thing I see.

My flying of helicopters in this game remind me of a young kid learning to ride a bike... If there is an obstacle within a 100m, I will inevitably fly right towards it and crash.

[imported_Psycho]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

:laugh: heh i had my laugh for the day.. If u think the choppers are hard to fly in this game you wouldnt even want to walk near the landing strip in bfv

Why not they were completly n00bified anyone could fly them.

[ice252]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Well, I was actually a pretty good heli flyer in dc but these helis, are really hard to hold stead for some reason. I find I can never become level, and I always land at an angle.

[TheEn|gma]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Why not they were completly n00bified anyone could fly them.

Not realy, try the JO/JOE choppers those were easy as hell, and their not easy to fly, especially if you don't have a joystick (I do :p )

[bustacaptx]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Anyone want to right a quick guide on landing the bh. Because I found whenever I'm trying to land or hover, I always overshoot the target.

Not a guide, per se, but just guidelines.

The biggest problem I see with inexpert transport chopper pilots is over-reaction and over-compensation. Thier joystick (or keyboard) movements are too big, too much of a yank rather than a steady pressure. There are times when jerking the stick (so to speak) is appropriate: trying to out-turn missiles, or avoid an attack heli's volley, for instance. But it's a dangerous gambit that should only be used when absolutely necessary, and just about never when near the ground or structures.

The pilots who do best are very controlled and smooth in thier flying; nothing too hasty, nothing too wild. When you make a big maneuver, instinct tells you to make an equally big motion to compensate. That instinct causes many crashes and the resultant teamkills. With practice, that incorrect instinct can be replaced with another, one that eases your craft into its motion rather than yanks it there, causing an over-compensation, causing another bigger movement to compensate for that, and ending with a downed chopper.

Have you ever tried backing a trailer attached to a truck or car into a parking spot? The first few times you try, you struggle with your instinct, which tells you to do the opposite of what you need to and often ends in a jack-knifed trailer. Only after suppressing that gut instinct and doing what your head knows it should do can you have success. The more times you do it correctly, the more that incorrect instinct is replaced with the right one, the one that lets people back a trailer into a slot just as easily as if they were backing up an unladen vehicle.

Practice landing in an empty server. Try to ease the chopper down slowly onto your landing target, taking note of the actions that allow that easy touchdown. Try it like that several times and, when you think you've gotten it down, try it a little faster. And then a little faster. And then even more so. After a couple hours of practice, you'll find that your muscle memory (backed up by an improved instinct or 'feel') makes your landings much smoother and more precise.

<waxing philosophical> Practice, the old saying goes, makes perfect. I don't agree with that; I think that practice makes less imperfect. 'Perfection' is not an attainable goal. Humans cannot achieve perfection; but we can try to get as close to it as we can possibly come. 'Less imperfect' is attainable and something we can all achieve with work. </waxing philosophical>

If you want to improve the rest of your flying, in an empty server (a city server or one with lots of obstacles like Daqing Oilfields[sp?]), try to fly a course close to the ground, threading through the terrain around, over and under the obstacles. You'll hone your skills slowly but surely. But after several hours of practice, you'll find yourself a better, more controlled, more effective chopper pilot.

[DarkHorse2160]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Not a guide, per se, but just guidelines.

The biggest problem I see with inexpert transport chopper pilots is over-reaction and over-compensation. Thier joystick (or keyboard) movements are too big, too much of a yank rather than a steady pressure. There are times when jerking the stick (so to speak) is appropriate: trying to out-turn missiles, or avoid an attack heli's volley, for instance. But it's a dangerous gambit that should only be used when absolutely necessary, and just about never when near the ground or structures.

The pilots who do best are very controlled and smooth in thier flying; nothing too hasty, nothing too wild. When you make a big maneuver, instinct tells you to make an equally big motion to compensate. That instinct causes many crashes and the resultant teamkills. With practice, that incorrect instinct can be replaced with another, one that eases your craft into its motion rather than yanks it there, causing an over-compensation, causing another bigger movement to compensate for that, and ending with a downed chopper.

Have you ever backed a trailer attached to a truck or car into a parking spot? The first few times you try, you struggle with your instinct, which tells you to do the opposite of what you need to and often ends in a jack-knifed trailer. Only after suppressing that gut instinct and doing what your head knows it should do can you have success. The more times you do it correctly, the more that incorrect instinct is replaced with the right one, the one that lets people back a trailer into a slot just as easily as if they were backing up an unladen vehicle.

Practice landing in an empty server. Try to ease the chopper down slowly onto your landing target, taking note of the actions that allow that easy touchdown. Try it like that several times and, when you think you've gotten it down, try it a little faster. And then a little faster. And then even more so. After a couple hours of practice, you'll find that your muscle memory (backed up by an improved instinct or 'feel') makes your landings much smoother and more precise.

<waxing philosophical> Practice, the old saying goes, makes perfect. I don't agree with that; I think that practice makes less imperfect. 'Perfection' is not an attainable goal. Humans cannot achieve perfection; but we can try to get as close to it as we can possibly come. 'Less imperfect' is attainable and something we can all achieve with work. </waxing philosophical>

If you want to improve the rest of your flying, in an empty server (a city server or one with lots of obstacles like Daqing Oilfields[sp?]), try to fly a course close to the ground, threading through the terrain around, over and under the obstacles. You'll hone your skills slowly but surely. But after several hours of practice, you'll find yourself a better, more controlled, more effective chopper pilot.

I agree with everything he said, especially the practice part. Just create your own local game on a 64 player map. I prefer the Gulf, cuz it's got almost all types of aircraft and you can respawn to the airbase or carrier to try em all out.

His comment about flying low (us military types call it NOE = nap of the earth), is extra important. That 's the way air assaults are conducted in the real world. Due to the fact that the AA is so F-ed up in this game, some less talented pilots are able to survive at higher altitudes, but then again, it's just a game. If you ever get in a Blackhawk with me, you'll notice that I "drive" it like a sports car. Thats the way it's meant to be flown! I'm not a pilot, but I've flown in the jump seat on live-fire training exercises and know exactly what they can do in the hands of a good pilot.

In answer to the original question, I use a keyboard and mouse and find it pretty easy once you get used to it. If you're flying too high, it's much harder to come in for a landing and you leave yourself exposed for the entire trip down. The situation will dictate whether you come screaming in on a target/flag, or whether you can just ease on in.

If things are hot, scream in at low level and pitch your nose up while holding down the S key (this will "flare" the aircraft) . If you do it right, your nose will be about 8-10 feet off the ground and your tail will be in contact with the ground. Under the new rules, this is when most of your pax should exit. It's a shame they CASTRATED the Blackhawk..they should call it the Backdove now! Remember to pitch the nose back down and release the S key after about 2 seconds, or you'll start going backwards very quickly, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if you know what you're doing and want to change direction quickly, but can be fatal if it catches you off guard. Also, if you suspect there's still any AA threat in the area, ALWAYS pop flares as you exit the area. Another flare tip....don't waste them by popping them and continuting in the same direction. Pop em and make a decisive move in ANOTHER direction. Your best bet to evade the killer gunships is to CLIMB as fast as you can, while slipping from side to side. Hopefully while you're doing this, your teamate will be lining him up with the Cobra or AA.

If you're looking to ease in, just hold down the S key to drop altitude and ease the nose up as you get closer to your target.

Hovering in the Hawk is pretty easy (musch easier than any of the other helos), just level off and make minor adjustments by tapping the keys and slightly moving the mouse.

The bottom line though is that you ain't gonna learn it by reading about it. Go practice and kill YOURSELF a few hundred times, and let the rest of us live to fight another day.

Sorry, I got kinda long winded. Hopefully somebody will find something of use to them here.

[bustacaptx]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

I agree with everything he said, especially the practice part. Just create your own local game on a 64 player map. I prefer the Gulf, cuz it's got almost all types of aircraft and you can respawn to the airbase or carrier to try em all out.

His comment about flying low (us military types call it NOE = nap of the earth), is extra important. That 's the way air assaults are conducted in the real world. Due to the fact that the AA is so F-ed up in this game, some less talented pilots are able to survive at higher altitudes, but then again, it's just a game. If you ever get in a Blackhawk with me, you'll notice that I "drive" it like a sports car.

Thanx for the props (no pun intended).

The problem is, people often try to fly choppers in a manner that's outside their skill level. It may be fun (for a little while) to jerk the aircraft around like a headstrong horse, but if your skill doesn't let you have a good chance of recovering gracefully, it'll most often end up in a flaming pile of wreckage.

It's the same with sportscars. People get in them and think they can drive them at high speed the same way as they would a normal car ... with often tragic results. Sportscars have lots more power and manuvering sensitivity than a commuter car. Not recognizing that can easily lead to a big smash up.

You have to thoroughly understand the dynamics and characteristics of the vehicle you're driving/piloting before you start with the heroics. Noobs + fancy manuvers = flaming death, both in BF2 and in real life.

[imported_Psycho]

Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

Not realy, try the JO/JOE choppers those were easy as hell, and their not easy to fly, especially if you don't have a joystick (I do :p )

Yes they were i got in one and did a controled backflip the first time i used them with the mouse and keyboard there **** easy to use.

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Re: Why do BH pilots drop you off but don't pick you up after a cap?

We leave because we either just dont care, or we dont wont to get shot down by some newb and loose the Black hawk.