Commanding Morrons ..

[armandoxxx]

I dont know why .. but its happening since patch came out...

Were playing with my teammates on some servers lately .. and everywhere we went there was our commander throwing artilery on the flags we wanted to cape ... ok .. @ first .. we thought . ok .. hit shappens .. but damn .. every time .. !?!?!? I was killed by our artillery more than zillion of times .. we also tried to kick commander but no luck ...

next server .. same ..
another server .. same ..

hmm .. anybody experiencing the same kinda commander behaviour

bye

Armando

[IRONxMortlock]

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This is what happens when someone is given carte blanche to Team kill.

I can feel as though I might have to scream "Told you to mark my words" into NoB33r4u's face very, very soon!

[big_sammy_b]

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i disagree, i haven't had that problem at all.

It may be annoying if a coimmander does that but theres no reason you should die you have PLENTY of warning that its coming so its your own fault if you die.

So in that situation if your going too boot the commander do so because he's just not being effective not because you ignore all the warnings and wander in too artillery strikes.

[Drevor]

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Yeah had that a couple of times now. Either we had no commander (because your assets get blown of anyways) or there what some whackhead droping arty on us all the time.

[glasseye]

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you can stay and die, or you can pull back and give the enemy time to rally.
and then die.

[big_sammy_b]

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thats very true which is why you should kick the commander for not commanding effectively not because he tks you because if your tkd then its your fault.

[motorboatJones]

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don't you people see the red artillery icon as well as hear the call of artillery at your area? run when you do.

the worst commander i ever had was a guy who would jump in a cobra or blackhawk on oman and try to actually fight instead of hiding somewhere and using the command menu to command the battle. he got killed over and over and was not using his assets like artillery, supplies. no amount of pleading would change his mind. he said he had to fight because the rest of us weren't. a true and utter moron.

[Marwin_42]

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Last night I asked the commander for ARTY on a base (My squad was just outside it), and he drops the arty right on our heads, not in the base! The entire squad was killed. Nice work commander... :)

[18Zulukiller]

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i disagree, i haven't had that problem at all.

It may be annoying if a coimmander does that but theres no reason you should die you have PLENTY of warning that its coming so its your own fault if you die.

So in that situation if your going too boot the commander do so because he's just not being effective not because you ignore all the warnings and wander in too artillery strikes.

Look mate im not having a go at you but artillary IS getting abused there are situations were you cant withdraw from battle like getting pinned down by a tank or a large number of enemy . Theres no way to withdraw without getting killed so you can either stay and fight or run and die either way your dead . Now i can honestly say that commanders not getting a tk from artillary is a good idea becouse of the amount of idiots that drive into artillary after its already been sent. But it is getting abused i have honestly seen the enemy reduced to one base the hole team is moving in on that base (64 men all fighting for one base in a very small area). And then the commander decides to send in a artillary stike if your in that kind of an intense battle you got tanks firing bullets flying everywere its so easy to miss the warnings and im a very dilagent player i always try to pay attention to whats going on. But even i miss the warnings at times but why should i have to be looking for warnings of artillary when 31 players are all backing me up with tanks and apc and attack helis and planes and all the enemy has is infantry. I have litteraly seen the above described situtation a dozen times since the patch were its been that last base and were moveing in for the kill and then are commander sends in artillary and kills 10+ of his own units and the enemy then can hold on becouse everyones got to respawn at the closest base and then make there way there again. Now im not saying responible commanders do that sort of thing but there is alot if iresponsible commanders out there that just see all the red dots and get MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA going through there tiny little brains and then send in the artillary instead of leaveing it to the troops.

I have suggested this before and im gonna suggest it again a commander should not get a tk or any point loss if someone moves into an area AFTER a artillary strike has been sent . BUT if the commander sends in an artillary strike on his own men he should get penalised points wise (-4 for each man) but not be added to his tk limit for getting kicked of the server . I also beleave the commander should actualy get points for kills only say 1 point per infantry destroyed (maybe 2 for apc and tanks). Another thing i think is the artillary should inflict more damage so if you drtop artillary on 10 units if there in the blast area there garanted to be killed . This will allow commanders to make calculated risks i.e. ive got 2 untis there but theres 8 enemy its worth the commander to send in artillary as it wont effect his score in a big way. But if there are 3 units v 7 enemy with possible more units spawning into that area it wont be worth it to send in the artillary. All the commander has to do then is slap a uav over that part of the map and wait and see what happens if his men look more and more likely there gonna win the battle he dosnt have to send artillary but if there wiped out he can easyily send the artilary over he just has to wait a second (another thing id like to see is the artillary getting to its target faster itll help with judgement calls like that).

[claevade]

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I had it once with 1.03 so far. Sick stuff, kept trowing arty at teammates, didn't kill a single enemy. On purpose, even if we lost all bases but one he start dropping it into our own base.

We didn't manage to kick him either, sucks that he didn't get any minus points or anything else that would hold him back.

[armandoxxx]

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...64 men all fighting for one base in a very small area..

this is what happened to us !!!

he threw arty ON our heads not the in front of us .. or even to the left or right .. we were like .. wtf !?!?

bye

Armando

[Real_2St0n3d]

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Lol.. yesterday I was part of the final assault on the enemy base on a chinese map

I was allmost halfway to greying the flag when I see the artillery icon straight over my head. Determined to do or die, I stay put and, more through luck then anything else, I'm the sole survivor on our team. The rest got TK'd off, along with 2 enemys..

I do a quick scan and from one side I can see 5 enemys converging on my position. I do a quick prayer, fully expecting to die, when the enemy commander ALSO artys his own entire side

I ended up capping the flag, round over.. but boy, having two artillerys drop down about 1.5 - 2.0 meters away from me was flashy for real!

[SpeedyGonzales]

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i disagree, i haven't had that problem at all.

It may be annoying if a coimmander does that but theres no reason you should die you have PLENTY of warning that its coming so its your own fault if you die.

So in that situation if your going too boot the commander do so because he's just not being effective not because you ignore all the warnings and wander in too artillery strikes.

whether you get a warning or not is irrelavant.. too many times I have
been ready to cap a flag and been killed by my own arty.. When you
spawn at a location, or if you have fought your way into it, only to have
your commander blow you to bits, a warning is irrelavant.

Sure, if your teammates run right into it from somewhere else, I can
see that... but most everytime I get arty'd by my commander, its his fault
not mine..

Fact is MOST commanders I get are idiots. half of them dont even uav
or supply their teammates locations all game, only their own. Or even
worse, they do nothing at all, all game... they just want the 2x bonus.

personally, I hate the whole commander feature.. silly maps with the
enemies location on it all game? kinda corny and fake if you ask me..
And 9 out of 10 games Im in, the commander doesnt deserve a bonus
at all.

[evilzucchini]

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It may be annoying if a coimmander does that but theres no reason you should die you have PLENTY of warning that its coming so its your own fault if you die.

I am VERY observant when it comes to the arty. I will, everytime, before I move into a map check my mini-map to see if they are artying the base. I use the mini-map all of the time, I find it to be one of the most vital tools in the game.

Before the patch, I NEVER had a problem with getting accidentally arty unless it was clearly my fault.

However, just yesterday, I was moving into a base with the tank. As usual, I check the mini map and see no arty. I move in, get about 4 kills, and, because I have noone else with me and there is no UAV, I am looking around to make sure noone sneaks up on me. Next thing I know, as I am capping the flag, I arty starts falling on me. I was a SL, the commander didn't even give me a "arty, your area." It was pretty annoying. . . and, as I said, this has never happened to me before. During that game and the next I saw too many teammates getting destroyed by arty.

[HicRic]

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It's really annoying to hear there are so many useless commanders in the game. Commanding is something I quite like doing-got my veteran badge just the other day, only been playing a couple of weeks-and I'm always making use of all assets, pointing out enemies, giving help and advice to individuals by zooming in on their position, etc.

It's also frustrating when you've done a scan and you can see things that are critical to the battle, and yet squad leaders always feel they know better and sit around ignoring orders. "im defending ths flag lol!" when I can see the entire enemy team is nowhere near them and there are easy flags to be taken, etc.

It's sad that idiots dropping arty stupidly kind of give everyone a negative impression on all commanders...it only makes real commanders' jobs harder.