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  • imported_TheDragon
    Member
    • Oct 2006
    • 1476

    #1

    please comment and advise

    every clan server says = "follow our rules"
    but no one. not even us (yet) . posts their rules
    also - how do we ensure EA does not say this is game modding?? they do not list their rules anywhere!! they refer to their "server terms of service"
    but no one seems to have a copy

    please make comments/edits/suggestions
    I would like to see this as part of our clan website for all to visitors read:
    DRAFT
    "name" Server ROE
    (Rules of Engagement)


    Welcome to the "name" Clan ROE page. Here you will learn our rules – our “Code of Conduct”. In general terms – it is simple . . . have fun and play fair. The following guidelines define our definition of fun:


    1. Squads -
    Please make and/or join
    Do not join any squad that has our clan tags ["name"] or word "name"

    2. Lone Wolf –
    If you have a specialty (eg sniper, spec ops)
    Make a squad with descriptive name - so Commander can direct you

    3. Armor -
    Be Engineer to heal yourself and other armor
    Try to stay together (eg Tank and LAV)
    Try not to Capture Flags – you are “magnet” for Spec Ops
    If you die more than you kill – then stay out of armor

    4. Aircraft -
    Never fly with an empty seat! (well, maybe 1 or 2 on BH)
    This is not your personal training server
    do NOT pilot any vehicle until you have practiced first
    (referring to basic handling skills – not tactical skills)
    If you cannot hover – do NOT cap flags
    If you can hover – do NOT just sit there – rotate for your gunners
    If you are in Attack Helo
    KILL first (primarily Armor)
    Cap Flags with Care
    Do not fire Guns at long range – only alerts enemy
    If you keep getting ‘owned’ - try something different

    5. Commander (CO) -
    This is a FULL TIME JOB
    Do NOT take armor/aircraft (even as gunner/bomber)
    There may be exceptions to this, (eg sitting in armor to prevent theft)
    but be prepared to give to teammate when requested
    Do NOT run into battle capping flags – unless game situation critical (rare)
    Do NOT engage in heavy combat - unless game situation critical (rare)
    Consider being Engineer so you can repair your assets
    Learn ALL tricks of Job (using supply to repair, zooming in and spotting enemy, etc)
    Do NOT quit just because your team in loosing !!

    6. Tactics –
    If you can do it and survive – do WHATEVER YOU WANT
    Buggy Bomb
    Helo Capping
    Base Raping
    Spawn Camping
    (just do not be a jerk – if the last flag can be capped, then try)
    Stealing Uncap Armor
    Bunny Hopping
    Noob Tube
    in other words, NO RESTRICTIONS ON CREATIVE PLAY – go for it !

    7. TK -
    if it is your fault – do not punish
    if it is an accident – do not punish
    if you get caught doing it on purpose
    eg just to get a vehicle, or for you own enjoyment – you get banned

    8. Kick -
    You may get kicked to make room for Clan Member
    (unless you are a preferred Server player – see Website for details)

    9. Kick Selection is based on:
    Idle Time - ie not really playing
    Low time in server
    Low score
    High Ping
    If none of the above are obvious, we wait until end of round to Kick
    We never kick the high score - NEVER

    Offensive Game Tag (racial, ethnic, sexual slur, etc)
    Bad Language – you will get warned
    Bad Ping
    Violating our ROE above (we will warn you first)

    10. Ban –
    Aggressive TK (ie multiple on purpose)
    Hacking
    Cheating,
    Obvious Stat Padding (hiding in the corner with others)

    If you feel Ban or Kick was unfair, please make post on Forum with explanation, and we will be happy to make amends


    WELCOME TO THE "name" SERVER
  • gungho

    #2
    Re: please comment and advise

    I'd never join a server with rule 6.

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    • imported_fvbyfv

      #3
      Re: please comment and advise

      Some of those are good manners that good players do but to have them as rules seems like your server name should be "Hitlers EA Ranked server"


      Not flaming you but it seems a bit much to call many of those rules is all.

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      • Flatline_hun

        #4
        Re: please comment and advise

        Some rules are quite ... stupid.
        "Never fly with an empty seat! (well, maybe 1 or 2 on BH)"
        Okay, imagine I get in the helo, and start shouting "Get in"... and noone gets in. Shall I wait at the helipad for a gunner? Hell, no! I start fighting, and when someone asks for pickup, I happily give them a ride.

        Spawncamping, Baseraping? Oh, Joy, peace and happiness! There is nothing more "creative" then stealing all vehicles from the uncappable base, (preferably before they can even spawn at the beginning of the map) and watch them running around like headless chickens! BWHAHAHAHA! Thanks, but no way....

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        • donpost
          Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 215

          #5
          Re: please comment and advise

          Originally posted by gungho
          I'd never join a server with rule 6.
          I'd actively seek, and play on, servers with rule 6. The freedom to play any tactic I choose sounds great.

          To the thread starter: I don' think any of those rules would annoy EA. You might have trouble enforcing them though!

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          • Sneaky Assassin

            #6
            Re: please comment and advise

            Originally posted by fvbyfv
            Some of those are good manners that good players do but to have them as rules seems like your server name should be "Hitlers EA Ranked server"


            Not flaming you but it seems a bit much to call many of those rules is all.
            Agreed some of those are a totalitarian

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            • imported_TheDragon
              Member
              • Oct 2006
              • 1476

              #7
              Re: please comment and advise

              Originally posted by fvbyfv
              Some of those are good manners that good players do but to have them as rules seems like your server name should be "Hitlers EA Ranked server"


              Not flaming you but it seems a bit much to call many of those rules is all.

              good point - should make sections?
              one is "rules", one is "guidelines"?
              that is why I asked for comments
              thanks - appreciated

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              • imported_TheDragon
                Member
                • Oct 2006
                • 1476

                #8
                Re: please comment and advise

                Originally posted by Flatline_hun
                Some rules are quite ... stupid.
                "Never fly with an empty seat! (well, maybe 1 or 2 on BH)"
                Okay, imagine I get in the helo, and start shouting "Get in"... and noone gets in. Shall I wait at the helipad for a gunner? Hell, no! I start fighting, and when someone asks for pickup, I happily give them a ride.
                but of course you are right
                I was referring to the idiots that sprint to a vehicle
                and do not even wait 2 secs before launching

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                • imported_TheDragon
                  Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1476

                  #9
                  Re: please comment and advise

                  Originally posted by Sneakypjc
                  Agreed some of those are a totalitarian
                  perhaps - not intended to be so
                  just SICK of noobs ruining rounds when thinking only of themselves
                  nothing against new guys with little experience
                  just the noobs that screw the game for themselves

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                  • The_Misfit

                    #10
                    Re: please comment and advise

                    nice idea, dont wanna flame either, however, here's my take on the whole 'clan server' involving ranked servers... First of all, I've owned / adminned / ran servers for years, and have done basically whaterver the heck I've wanted to. FF, yeah, no, maybe. Low Grav on fridays, 2 map rotation for the wkend, etc...

                    HOWEVER - We are talking about RANKED servers here.

                    YES, you pay for it. YES, it has your name on it. YES, you can admin / kick / ban as you see fit. BUT, as a ranked server, I would expect my gameplay experience to be the same on one server to another. Anything beyond common courtesies effects gameplay one way or another.

                    BH whoring, spawn raping, etc... are all allowed by EA, so if your clan isnt hip to it - tough ****. If its allowed by EA, then it should be in the ranked server, and not subject to some nazi admins who hate helo hopping, or bunny hopping (yes, I've seen a ranked server that said it'd kick for bunny hopping), or whatever, I've seen it all...

                    If you want to pay money and admin a server as you see fit, then get an unranked server and mess with the settings till your fingers fall off.

                    If its a ranked server, consider yourself a 'sponsor' of the server. Police the intentional tk'ers, stat padders, hpb's, etc.. But beyond that, leave the gameplay exactly as all EA ranked servers are supposed to be...

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                    • imported_TheDragon
                      Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 1476

                      #11
                      Re: please comment and advise

                      Originally posted by The_Misfit
                      nice idea, ... First of all, I've owned / adminned / ran servers for years, ...

                      HOWEVER - We are talking about RANKED servers here.

                      YES, you pay for it. YES, it has your name on it. YES, you can admin / kick / ban as you see fit. BUT, as a ranked server, I would expect my gameplay experience to be the same on one server to another. Anything beyond common courtesies effects gameplay one way or another.

                      BH whoring, spawn raping, etc... are all allowed by EA, so if your clan isnt hip to it - tough ****. If its allowed by EA, then it should be in the ranked server, and not subject to some nazi admins who hate helo hopping, or bunny hopping (yes, I've seen a ranked server that said it'd kick for bunny hopping), or whatever, I've seen it all...


                      If its a ranked server, consider yourself a 'sponsor' of the server. Police the intentional tk'ers, stat padders, hpb's, etc.. But beyond that, leave the gameplay exactly as all EA ranked servers are supposed to be...

                      stated differently, but yes we agree
                      that is why we said -
                      :NO RESTRICTIONS ON CREATIVE PLAY – go for it !:

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                      • AlphaNut

                        #12
                        Re: please comment and advise

                        I don't see a problem with rule 6. I do not get how people can have such big issues with so called "base rapists".
                        They usually are really easy kills (freebies). The most annoying thing is the constant Arty, and Air asset bombardment of home bases. But even with this we can learn to deal, just wait a couple seconds to spawn.
                        I have never been "owned" by some dude, or squad sitting in my home base. And if a whole squad can get to my main base and steal a tank, helo, apc or whatever, then it is my own team's fault for leaving those important assets alone and unprotected.
                        If I'm playing specops and blow up enemy arty, how come people expect me to leave the base? I am going to sit there, and I am going to wait for the engy to show up, and try to give him the hardest time of his life. If I find a sniper kit after blowing up the arty I'll pick it up, and shoot everyone that even thinks about repairing that asset.
                        Base raping sucked in the times of Delta Force because spawn points were not random, and people would always spawn at the same spot.
                        Believe me, I was a whiner myself at the beginning when being baseraped by some Tankwhore. I learned to adapt, and send her home.

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                        • BeerStein

                          #13
                          Re: please comment and advise

                          Originally posted by fvbyfv
                          Some of those are good manners that good players do but to have them as rules seems like your server name should be "Hitlers EA Ranked server"


                          Not flaming you but it seems a bit much to call many of those rules is all.
                          Are you kidding?! I do not see this list as being anything overly controlling. He pretty much states the obvious for people that take teammates and the idea for this game semi seriously.

                          At no point did it say if you take off with a BH with 3 seats opened you are banned - it was more guidelines for cryin out loud.

                          TopGunGreg - good post.

                          I like the idea of getting a general format out there for servers to post their rules with. This makes them easier to read and to especially distinguish the differences in the different rules for other servers.

                          Having them in an accessible place is good as well. I could even stand to see one of the loading screens be a place for that type of message - more space than what they give now. Do we really need to read all about the map and the back story of each map? Has anyone ever read all of the info on those pages?

                          Most servers I run across - put in the loading window that the server rules are on their web site. More often than not they have typos in that info section, or incorrect addresses, or pages that no longer work. Now for most people (my guess) - is that they do not have multiple machines and monitors like myself - looking up the rules or the clan website is nothing that would happen until they are done gaming. I sometimes glance at the web pages if I have time before the game loads.

                          I do think there are plenty of ranked servers out there that EA should investigate for promoting stat padding - such as the |SAF| Server (Squad Allies and Friends) - hypocrisy at its best. I witnessed so many violations of the EA standards on that server it sickens me to know that these people are running a ranked server. One of the other players that was commenting like I was about how it was being run said that one of his friends worked at EA and was on the ranked server side of the BF2 team - dunno if he was full of BS or not - but he got booted just before I did because of speaking up.

                          Admins that boot players when they are at the top of the scoreboards so they can move up in ranks or get medals, whatever, or spam messages about no excessive tk, or stat padding - then watch their clan members tk public players just to get in vehicles is bs. That is getting off topic - sry for the vent.

                          Back on topic - thanks for the post.

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                          • BeerStein

                            #14
                            Re: please comment and advise

                            Originally posted by The_Misfit
                            BH whoring, spawn raping, etc... are all allowed by EA, so if your clan isnt hip to it - tough ****. If its allowed by EA, then it should be in the ranked server, and not subject to some nazi admins who hate helo hopping, or bunny hopping (yes, I've seen a ranked server that said it'd kick for bunny hopping), or whatever, I've seen it all...

                            If its a ranked server, consider yourself a 'sponsor' of the server. Police the intentional tk'ers, stat padders, hpb's, etc.. But beyond that, leave the gameplay exactly as all EA ranked servers are supposed to be...
                            Well said.

                            I have seen people banned for bunny hopping. I have also loaded into a server that said no helo flag capping or you will be banned - then watched it get enforced.

                            Not just kicks - bans. On the positive side - for retard servers like that - at least a ban would keep me from making the mistake of getting back on there.

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                            • HYP3R

                              #15
                              Re: please comment and advise

                              Originally posted by donpost
                              I'd actively seek, and play on, servers with rule 6. The freedom to play any tactic I choose sounds great.

                              To the thread starter: I don' think any of those rules would annoy EA. You might have trouble enforcing them though!

                              I second that. if its in the game.. u can do it is my motto. Do I like being spawn camped? Not really, but I just will have to get over it.

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