Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

[WarGimp]

Re: Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

Gah... why is it that whenever someone draws a line in the sand, I find myself standing on it?

Call me a moderat. I tend to look at how things could be improved, yet when I play, I play it base. I don't indudge in "this sucks because of XXX" type ranting, but won't back away from "maybe things would be better if XXX was tweeked". I tend to bash bashers on both sides of an argument, but will consiter either side's opinions or ideas if they are well laid out.

With that in mind, let me make this observation:

There's room for imporvment in BF2, but it's a hella lotta fun as is. It's got some issues, but nothing game breaking.

[vbl]

Re: Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

Gah... why is it that whenever someone draws a line in the sand, I find myself standing on it?

Call me a moderat. I tend to look at how things could be improved, yet when I play, I play it base. I don't indudge in "this sucks because of XXX" type ranting, but won't back away from "maybe things would be better if XXX was tweeked". I tend to bash bashers on both sides of an argument, but will consiter either side's opinions or ideas if they are well laid out.

With that in mind, let me make this observation:

There's room for imporvment in BF2, but it's a hella lotta fun as is. It's got some issues, but nothing game breaking.

Now we just need you to teach everyone else to be even-keeled.

[strathound]

Re: Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

This thread is feeling a little too "West Side Story" for me.

P.S. you think this forum is bad, try heading over to the "official" "beta" EA forums. Holy cow, that place is a zoo.

[vbl]

Re: Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

This thread is feeling a little too "West Side Story" for me.

That, or too 19th century politics.

Either way, it's over 2 months old. I'm not sure why someone dug it up.

[ICPO]

Re: Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

Now we just need you to teach everyone else to be even-keeled.

If only, if only but sadly I think that will never be more than a dream. Personally I'm a moderate as well but no one listens to us either so who really cares.

[timsgameonline]

Re: Core issue: "Toughies" vs. "Whiners"

These forums have a fundamental split between two groups:

Whiners
Those who think they have legitimate suggestions to change the game dynamics and balance

Toughies
Those who think that players should just play the game they were given

These two groups clash in a few ways.

When the Whiners make a post with a suggestion for game changes, the Toughies are quick to jump on the thread and call the poster names, tell them that they obviously suck, say that they should use the same tactics to win, assume that the suggestion is made only to compensate for the Whiner's personal weaknesses, and tell them that they should just shut up and play and stop being owned.

The Whiners think that Toughies are useless, making non-constructive posts that don't discuss the issues at hand, but instead flame unnecessarily. Sometimes the Toughies are called exploiters, or "cheap", for advocating the use of certain controversial game features (even though they're neither of those things). Sometimes the Whiners will take these criticisms to the Toughies' "I'm so sick of people whining" threads.

Here's my suggestion: Stop posting in each other's threads.

If you're a Toughie and you see a thread suggesting a game change, go wash your car, watch TV or make a sandwich. You're not going to accomplish anything or change anyone's mind.

If you're a Whiner and you see a Toughie's thread telling you to suck it up, just walk away. Go practice, walk your dog, or nap. You're not going to change anyone's mind, either.

Why dont you just suck it up and stop whining!!!!! But then maybe you need to change your writing style as theres too many bugs in it!!!!!1 Yes this is tongue in cheek!!