Arty too often?

[Darkfysh]

Re: Arty too often?

I think part of the problem is that the commander is completely self sufficient. If any of his assets are destroyed, he can repair them in an instant. Who needs an engy when you can do it yourself, with little effort?

If they took out the ability to repair assets with a supply crate, the commander will have to talk to his team to get them repaired.

Also, when an engy repairs an asset, he gets a repair point.

[shadow_wolf]

Re: Arty too often?

I think artillery recharges too fast. I think the time between strikes should be increased since its so powerful. As commander I dont use artillery much. Using it more increases risk of TKs because it often seems like people hear "artillery in your area" and see the artillery icon and run right towards it to find out what this 'artillery' thing is all about. Because of that I usually restrict my role to team support with UAVs and supplies and such...unless I see a target too good to pass up.

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luckily I think they may take out the ability to repair assets with supply crates in the next patch, I dont know...but I hope so. I think its kinda of cheap and even though I could use it, I choose not to and I call for repairs.

[Blud]

Re: Arty too often?

I used to go in and destroy the all the commanders assests all the time just to help the side I am playing. Then hang around a use his repair drops to resupply me and do it again, and again and again. I quit doing it because I never got points for doing it. I will definetly go back to it if it's true that I will be awarded for it. The biggest problem with cmd is there are too many out there that shouldn't be a cmd. They don't scan ect. The worst ones don't bother with resupply which brings be back to the Spec opts. When your Spec Opts is calling for ammo and he is hanging around the ememies arty--supply him!!!

P.S. get rid of the jets before Artillary---they are the what really wrecks the game play.

[the_big_funky_man]

Re: Arty too often?

i dont think they should take out arty or modify it at all. definately give an award for C4'ing the stuff though!

[Odinpalen]

Re: Arty too often?

The problem with too much arty is your team can never make a defensive stronghold on the map. The arty will brutalize any group of resistance that is dugin. What really peeves me is that the commander can repair his stuff with supply boxes. So you need two ops just to keep blowing up his crates and then the assets all over again. Now that sucks because the commander does not even need people to defend his assets anymore.

[-=SiN=-Broown]

Re: Arty too often?

The problem with too much arty is your team can never make a defensive stronghold on the map. The arty will brutalize any group of resistance that is dugin. What really peeves me is that the commander can repair his stuff with supply boxes. So you need two ops just to keep blowing up his crates and then the assets all over again. Now that sucks because the commander does not even need people to defend his assets anymore.

Agreed!:)

[Cocina]

Re: Arty too often?

The problem with too much arty is your team can never make a defensive stronghold on the map. The arty will brutalize any group of resistance that is dugin. What really peeves me is that the commander can repair his stuff with supply boxes. So you need two ops just to keep blowing up his crates and then the assets all over again. Now that sucks because the commander does not even need people to defend his assets anymore.

Not true. As the cmd drops resupply on destroyed assets, use that drop to grab more c4. I usually c4 the arty first when he resupplies it, lay the c4 on the arty but don't blow it -- grab more c4 from the supply crate and c4 the trailer and radar then blow it all unless you hear the arty go off then blow it and hide cause it's probably coming back down on you!

[-=SiN=-Broown]

Re: Arty too often?

Now this is about an entirely different thing...

[imported_DaDDeh]

Re: Arty too often?

When I play as commander I don't hardly ever use arty, only to clear a path for the squads to go in or if called for by a squad, I spend most of my time dropping resupply boxes or UAV, scans to help the squads when going for a flag.

In 1.03 there are going to be less people wanting to command as if the Spec Ops get rewarded for taking out commanders assets (which I totaly agree with they should be) then thats what you will see, and you try getting people to repair your the assets its harder then you think most want to be on the front line killing, you don't see many wanting to spend most of the map repairing commanders assets, 1 repair point takes ages to get in that time they could have killed or taken flags for which they get 2 or 4 points, which would you rather do.

[BeerStein]

Re: Arty too often?

First off - cwv_8t88 - great posts - one of the better posters I have read in a while.

I agree with the need for pts for blowing up cmdr stuff.

As for poor commanders - there are tons. The problem I run into - like many others - squad leaders will drag you down if they are not following advice from commanders.

I will direct an attack on an empty base - when they are headed for a loaded base way outnumbered and all I get is a "negative" - 30 seconds later they are dead. Get your head out of your ass - this is a team focused game - get in there for the team scores - and team winning. If your commander is not doing his job - get him booted out - be vocal about why you initiate the mutiny.

Also - if you are going to be a squad leader - LEAD YOUR SQUAD. Same with commander - COMMAND YOUR TROOPS. I get so sick of joining servers and seeing my commander in a jet flying around the map - what a waste.

I think what it really boils down to is knowing how the commander gets pts. I think most people are under the impression if they are commander - they are getting kill pts for arty strikes - and whomever they kill one on one - or flying, etc.

If you did not read the link to the other post about commanders scoring - read it. Summary - commander gets the average score of his team - if he wins - he gets his score doubled. Simple as that. No repairs, heals, revives, ammo giving, arty strikes, kills - none of that count for him. The only thing his kills do - is take down the tickets for the opposing team - no personal gain for his score.

[Princess_Sophia]

Re: Arty too often?

[QUOTE=Harmor]Well luck has it that in the v1.03 patch SpecOps will get points for destroying enemy assets - you'll be sure to have a couple of SpecOps taking out the artillery for sure.

I agree that SpecOps should get points for destroying enemy assets. But I believe that if points are given for destroying them, then points should also be awarded for defending them. Treat them the same as defending a flag. I hope the patch includes this...

[Odinpalen]

Re: Arty too often?

Not true. As the cmd drops resupply on destroyed assets, use that drop to grab more c4. I usually c4 the arty first when he resupplies it, lay the c4 on the arty but don't blow it -- grab more c4 from the supply crate and c4 the trailer and radar then blow it all unless you hear the arty go off then blow it and hide cause it's probably coming back down on you!

You totally missed my point. Some of the assets are spread out over the map, one peice of arty here and a radar over there ect. the time it takes to travel back and forth as an ops allows the commander to put a supply box by his assets which come back online within one second minus charge time. Also it takes about 15-30 secs for supply crate to give special ops full c4 ammo. To finnish off, the commander can arty the special ops at his assets. And now you have 2 special ops doing stuff while some soldiers are now outnumbered becuase you have two guys running around chasing supply crates and assets that are always being repaired. The commander has not lost one soldier as a result and your team has two tied up doing something fruitless causeing outnumbered situations against your team. Now your like big deal whats two soldier advantage... Well that could be one tank and one lav against your team. Of course any good special ops knows this stuff.

[BeerStein]

Re: Arty too often?

Just as Odinpalen was saying - I hope that commanders do not lose focus in the next patch. The last thing you need is a commander focused on repairing his arty - when he is not using the rest of his abilities. No matter what - a commander can see troops top down and spot them - with or without radar. A bit harder without the radar spotting them from way up - but you can still assist with spotting and drop supplies.

[Colt]

Re: Arty too often?

Very few people do infact realize that you can get 50 arty kills and not a single point from it...BUT, a majority (maybe always?) of the time if you get hit by arty you're not critically wounded, you're Killed. That's unrevivable, which translates into 1 less ticket for the enemy team.

So yes the commander who just thinks they are getting uber points from their arty are dumb, but they might be helping out the team anyways (not as much as strategic arty, but helping nonetheless).

[Odinpalen]

Re: Arty too often?

Beerstien your my kind of soldier. hoah!