I found something promissing for scoring..

[Solar71]

I found this in a file...
If you remember...
I was complaining about the points...
I said that... " i want more defence "
I also said that " i think holding a flag possition and having more then 50% of the flags on a map should give more points then it does currently "
Seems like a kill is worth more then holding the majority of the flags....
So if there are 6 flags... and your team has 4 and the enemy has 2...
it really does not help very much,....
So i snooped around and i found this information in a file...

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# conquest

TAKEOVERTYPE_CAPTURE = 1
TAKEOVERTYPE_NEUTRALIZE = 2

SCORE_CAPTURE = 2
SCORE_NEUTRALIZE = 2
SCORE_CAPTUREASSIST = 1
SCORE_NEUTRALIZEASSIST = 1
SCORE_DEFEND = 1

Top = 0
Middle = 1
Bottom = 2

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Also later down in the file i found this as well...

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# actual ticket loss calculation function
def calcTicketLossForTeam(team, otherTeamAreaValue, otherTeamAreaOverweight):
if otherTeamAreaValue >= 100 and otherTeamAreaOverweight > 0:
ticketLossPerSecond = (bf2.gameLogic.getDefaultTicketLossPerMin(team) / 60.0) * (otherTeamAreaOverweight / 100.0)
return ticketLossPerSecond
else:
return 0

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You can see it shows that it takes about 1 minute to get 1 extra ticket...
for holding more flags...
i think i might change this number...
from
(team) / 60.0) * (otherTeamAreaOverweight / 100.0)
to
(team) / 15.0) * (otherTeamAreaOverweight / 100.0)

and try a single player map...

I dont know if this will work...
But i really think this game needs to be much more about taking and holding "KEY" locations...

This is not QUAKE!!!

Killing should give points too...
But not more then holding "KEY" objectives...

This is a Tacticle, Stratigic, FPS...
Not a frag fest...

So can one of you try to play with this file and see what happens ?
This might help people mod there servers to be less of a frag fest... and more of a teamwork fest :)

So goto your directory...

Battlefield 2 / mods / bf2 / python / game / gamemodes / gpm_cq.py

open it and see whats in there...
maybe you can find more then i did...

I think this might be the beggining to making this a GREAT "non-quake"
tacticle, stratigic, FPS!!!!

Good luck and thanks...

[Solar71]

It Worked

IT WORKED
IT WORKED
IT WORKED
IT WORKED
IT WORKED

I just tried it out...
The enemy had 2 flags... We had 1 flag...
The tickets started to go down, about once every 4 seconds...
Then we got the flag back... and they started to lose 1 ticket every 4 seconds....

I am not counting kills...
I was watching to see when someone died, the tickets would change by 1...
But in addition to this... there was a ticket subtracted every 4 seconds from the team with fewer flags!!!!

IT ****ING WORKED!!!

[Cuyahoga]

Good work - now all we need is a mod to implement this online.

[Legli]

So what did you do? Did you remove ticket loss for people dieing?

Ticket 'bleed' happens, especially on assaults where the ticket bleed starts for the defender and stays until they neutralize one point. They can then cause the defender to ticket bleed either when the defenders lose half the points or are down to their last one, I cant quite remember.
Ever notice head on has an uneven number of flags? Thats so basically what you said above happens, so ticket bleed happens. Maybe difficult to notice during the heat of a big gunfight but it has a huge effect on the outcome none the less.

The team thats losing tickets usually sort of lights up and flashes, it was much more obvious in the original BF and BFV however than it is now.

[Solar71]

its easy...

Its just one file....

Anyone that is running a server, only needs to change one little number...
And the game Completely changes!!!!!

If your team goes on a frag fest...
Killing everything in site... but not holding flags... just kill kill kill...

They will lose...

If they kill , but never die, then they would still win...
But since both sides will have heavy losses...
The team with the flags will win...

This is what made the game better...
i changed this line

(team) / 60.0) * (otherTeamAreaOverweight / 100.0)
to
(team) / 20.0) * (otherTeamAreaOverweight / 100.0)

If that is too extreme for some people, then 30.0 might be fine...
But as it stands... 60.0 is REALLY LAME!!!
its almost like taking the flags means Absolutely nothing!!!!
But at 20.0 its all about the flags...

WOOO HOOO...

Now all we need to do is remove all the teenagers from this online game...
and replace with then the 20+ people... then they will want the same thing...
And the servers will be updated...

Wooo hoo...
But as long as this game is filled with "my penis is bigger then yours" teenagers... i dont think any of the servers will make this change...

[fubz]

What some servers should do is change name to Team Conquest that way we know and we could actually have fun!

[Solar71]

Yes i know ticket bleed happens...
But it is so minimal, that taking and HOLDING flags is not all that important...
I want HOLDING majority of flags to be the main idea to this game...
And i think it is supposed to be as well...
But for some reason, they really slowed it down too much...
So i changed the number to make it more important...

Changes the game completely...

PS : Ticket loss for people dieing is not changed...
Nothing is changed except ticket bleed "SPEED"
Now ticket bleed is about 1 ticket per 4-5 seconds...
Maybe even less...
But before it was about 1 ticket per 12-15 seconds...
So basicle, if the enemy is killing you really nicely...
but you are holding the flags...
you still lose...
but now if you the taking heavy casualties, but holding on to flags... You have a chance to win...

It is all about balancing kill kill kill with Hold hold hold...
If the 2 are more balanced, then the game becomes better for everyone...

[Solar71]

YES!!!

Conquest = frag fest / quake / doom / halo
Team conquest = stratigic / tacticle / Mature FPS!!!

YEAH BABY!!!

If you cant find the file... i can send you mine... you can take a look at it...

PS : there are lots and lots of other settings in this file as well...
I just didnt play with anything else...
So anyway...

Lets push to have this implimented into some of the online servers...

PSS : the team conquest servers could also have Manditory squad join / or get kicked... and voice enabled as well...

If you want my file, i can send it to you, and you can play single player...
2 teams 3 flags... 16 or 32 player... i have the 32 player extreme difficulty file as well... for the 16 player maps... and you will see how much better this game becomes..!!!

[SVTcobra281]

Thats awesome.. I agree someone needs to put this into effect. I'm about ready to pull my hair out with some of these people online. Its funny as hell to be the commander, and look at the squads, little green dots SCATTERED all over the map, running around. Why even bother with a squad? I've been making a custom squad named "defense" and kicking anyone out of it that doesnt stay together.

[SVTcobra281]

Oh hey solar71.. you have x-fire? I'd like to start compiling a little network of people that have the same vision for this game that I do, maybe have like a sorta, un-official clan?

[Solar71]

To SVT

Awesome... Im glad that im not the only other person to think this way...
If you have a server... and the file is setup this way...
Eventually people will "HAVE TO" work together, or they will just lose lose lose...
and i dont mind losing... but not all the time... it gets old...

PS : to be totally honest... when i got this game, i will really hoping for something like a game, that was sort of a combination of Counter strike ( Exciting and fun ) + Rainbow six ( realistic feel ) + Delta force ( huge teams and huge maps )

That is what i want...
Not one more F*cking quake, halo, doom, unreal...
There are so many games for idiots and children out there...
And much fewer for adults and young adults...

[Solar71]

hmm ???

X-fire ???
i guess i dont have it...
sorry...

[SVTcobra281]

You should go grab it, www.xfire.com its a neat little instant messenger that shows where your buddys are playing etc.. if you go get it, add me, svtcobra281

[BigBadBob]

but, it can't be used on ranked servers. So those points don't mean crap.

I know it's sad, but ranked servers have taken over. You don't see many people playing unranked much at all.

[Blackburn]

no offence bro but i'm pretty cool with the point system now. just because you cant kill anyone dosn't mean that the players that go out there and really kick some ass should be evenly scored by players just flying from one f lag to another