should i get a 9700 pro?

[Noni]

Money is a huge issue. I saw a b grade 9700 pro for £47 including VAT and I am considering buying it to replace my 9800 pro which looks to be fecked.

I may save up money but my pearants wont let me buy an expensive graphics card, so im kind of stuck. Anything around the £56 price range would be good.

I cant spend a lot of money, i just want to play BF2 good....

Heres my specs-

p4 2.4ghz
1GB ram

what are the speeds of the 9700 pro??

I looked on google and only found benchmarks and stuff.

thanks

[Mo-Fo]

My second machine that I let my girlfriend and mates play on has those exact specs...

It runs BF2 ok on low-med settings.... the cpu and memory are ok, it's the card that let's it down a bit.
It can run on med settings but expect a bit of chug here and there.... not too bad though.

I live in Australia so I dunno what prices cards are over there in the UK... I just bought a new Radeon X850XT for my main machine for $700 (about 305 pounds) Is that cheap or expensive for u guys?

[Noni]

My second machine that I let my girlfriend and mates play on has those exact specs...

It runs BF2 ok on low-med settings.... the cpu and memory are ok, it's the card that let's it down a bit.
It can run on med settings but expect a bit of chug here and there.... not too bad though.

I live in Australia so I dunno what prices cards are over there in the UK... I just bought a new Radeon X850XT for my main machine for $700 (about 305 pounds) Is that cheap or expensive for u guys?

lol thats very very expensive

the card im thinking of getting is £47

thanks for the reply.

[GreatWhiteShark]

Sorry but i don't understand why are you down sizing from a 9800 pro to a discon 9700 pro.
I bet if you put a better cool fan on it rather than the stock one you would get better results for £10 $15 others running 9800 pro for BF2 in this forum will sort you out m8 use the forum search tool put in 9800 pro see who is using one with success and PM them.

Info about the 2 cards................

9700 pro Now a discontinued product by ATI.
OverviewRedefine the word Ultimate. The All-in-Wonder® 9700 PRO is the ultimate visual and home entertainment experience for your PC. It combines the fastest 3D gaming performance, superior television and entertainment features, along with easy-to-use video editing and capture found in a graphics card. With 128MB DDR memory, the All-in-Wonder® 9700 PRO is the first to support Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0, AGP 8X, utilize THEATER™ 200 for stereo and video decoding and processing, and have dual TV-tuner capabilities in its class.
At-a-glance

• Powered by the Radeon® 9700 PRO visual processing unit
• Unparalleled TV and DVD features: TV-on-Demand™, Gemstar GUIDE Plus+™, mulTView™, VideoSoap™, ThruView™ and much more
• Easily edit video into your own creations: Video CD and DVD Authoring
• 128 MB DDR memory
• AGP 8X support
• Complete DirectX® 9.0 support
• 30 foot user interface for hand held remote control to control your pc applications
• Use component output to watch TV, DVDs, and videos on your High Definition TVs
  All-in-Wonder® 9700 PRO <H3>Specifications
  
  Features
  • Radeon® 9700 PRO Visual Processing Unit
  • Eight parallel rendering pipelines
  • Four parallel geometry engines
  • 128MB DDR memory
  • 256-bit DDR memory interface
  • AGP 8X support
  • THEATER™ 200 Video decoder and stereo audio processor
  • S/PDIF output
  • Dual 12-bit ADCs
  • Adaptive Comb Filter
  • Stereo TV tuner with 125 channels
  • TV-on-Demand™ timeshifting
  • Radio frequency remote control
  • Video capture and editing including VideoCD and DVD Authoring
  • Component Video output via a YPrPb adapter
  System Requirements
  • All-in-Wonder 9700 PRO requires connection to your PC's internal power supply for operation. Consult your system builder or OEM to ensure your system has an adequate power supply. Otherwise ATI recommends a 300 watt power supply or greater to ensure normal system operation where a number of other internal devices are installed.
  • Intel® Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron™, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 8X/4X/2X slot
  • 128MB of system memory
  • Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
  • DVD playback requires DVD drive
  • Interactive Program guide requires Internet connection for listing updates
  • Remote control receiver requires available USB port
  • mulTView™ requires a TV WONDER™ or TV WONDER™ VE card
  • 500MHZ minimum processor speed for MPEG-2 video capture
  • Sound Subsystem with DirectSound® drivers
  Graphics controller
  • Radeon® 9700 PRO Visual Processing Unit (GPU)
  Memory configuration
  • 128MB DDR
  Operating system support
  • Windows® XP (Home and Professional)
  • Windows® 2000
  • Windows® Me
  • Windows® 98/98SE*
    *Windows® Me driver can be installed on Windows® 98/98SE
  Display support
  • One display (VGA or DVI) simultaneously connected with a TV or VCR
  • YPrPb output adapter (available in North America only)
  TV-tuner requirements
  • TV signal from amplified antenna or cable. Versions available for:
    • NTSC (North America, Japan, and Latin America*)
  Features vary from country to country and depending on the television standard. *Note that Latin American countries using the PAL M and PAL N standards including Argentina and Brazil are supported by the NTSC version. Connectors
  • DVI-I (15 pin VGA adaptor included)
  • Stereo audio, S-video, and composite video inputs and outputs
  • External stereo connections to sound card's line input and output
  • Dolby® digital stereo audio output (S/PDIF)
  Warranty
  • 3-year limited
  2D display modes:
  Resolutions, colors and refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors:
  
  Monitor ResolutionHz640x480120800x6001201024x7681201152x86 41201280x10241201600x1200851920x1080751920x1200751 920x1440752048x153660
  Maximum 3D resolution and refresh rate:
  
  Monitor ResolutionHz1600x1200601920x128060
  
  
  Overview 9800 pro</H3>Radeon® 9800 technology is available in five product configurations built by ATI: Radeon® 9800 XT, Radeon® 9800 PRO 256MB, Radeon® 9800 PRO 128MB,Radeon® 9800 128MB and Radeon® 9800 LE 128MB. For more details on differentiating features of the four products, please see the product comparison.
  
  Radeon® 9800 series of visual processors is one of the most visually advanced 3D performers on the planet, delivering an immersive, cinematic experience for the most demanding next-generation games with up to 256MB of DDR memory and a 256-bit memory interface. The Radeon® 9800 series Visual Processing family, in its 3rd generation, merges advanced stability with revolutionary features.
  
  At-a-glance:
  • Radeon® 9800 series powers through the most demanding next-generation 3D titles, scenes and environments
  • Featuring highly programmable cinematic shader engines and support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 and OpenGL® feature sets
  • Experience impeccable 3D visual realism with the advanced engineering of ATI technology
  • Radeon® 9800 series beats with the heart of a champion, backed by the latest Catalyst™ software suite
  
  
  
  Product Comparison
  
  Radeon 9800 XT Radeon 9800 PRO
  
  Radeon 9800 PRO Radeon 9800Frame Buffer256MB DDR256MB GDDR2128MB DDR128MB DDRMemory Interface256-bit256-bit256-bit256-bitRendering Pipelines8888Pixel Fillrate (Gpixels/sec)3.33.043.042.6Engine Clock (MHz)412380380325Memory Clock (MHz)730700680580Output ConnectionsVGA + TV + DVIVGA + TV + DVIVGA + TV + DVIVGA + TV + DVI
  
  Sorce...http://www.atitech.com/
  
  

[Noni]

shark-

basically i took the card from another computer and replaced it with my old card. If i add the artic cooling then 1. it wont fit in his comp and also it will viod the warranty.

P.S. the other card is the 9000 128mb

[GreatWhiteShark]

shark-

basically i took the card from another computer and replaced it with my old card. If i add the artic cooling then 1. it wont fit in his comp and also it will viod the warranty.

P.S. the other card is the 9000 128mb

I see.

What is your mobo, would you consider moving round the cards you have, on your Mobo, to help the fit of an arctic cooling, or consider a zalman?

I had a 9800 pro and the stock fan failed after 5 months, i fitted an arctic cooler after checking with the suppliers via mail on the warranty issue, the supplier stated that fitting an arctic cooler on the card would "not" invalidate the warranty for the card. (not all suppliers are the same though)

I'm not to sure that is the case with a void warranty, check with the supplier m8, it's just the price of a phone call and would save you all the $£.

[Noni]

I see.

What is your mobo, would you consider moving round the cards you have, on your Mobo, to help the fit of an arctic cooling, or consider a zalman?

I had a 9800 pro and the stock fan failed after 5 months, i fitted an arctic cooler after checking with the suppliers via mail on the warranty issue, the supplier stated that fitting an arctic cooler on the card would "not" invalidate the warranty for the card. (not all suppliers are the same though)

I'm not to sure that is the case with a void warranty, check with the supplier m8, it's just the price of a phone call and would save you all the $£.

Yeah true, ill look through some papers tommorow, i got some guests coming today.

Also i had to connect a molex connector to my 9800 pro, i used just a spare one lying around. It was not from a hardrive but another thingy (fan i think) thats alright init?

[glasseye]

save up some more cash. i dunno, you said parents so you must be youngish. get a paper route or sell drugs or something.
theres no point upgrading in tiny steps, you're better off getting something that will last you awhile rather than something that will need to be upgraded in another 3 months.
i had the 9500pro for about 2years i think. only recently upgraded.

I live in Australia so I dunno what prices cards are over there in the UK... I just bought a new Radeon X850XT for my main machine for $700 (about 305 pounds) Is that cheap or expensive for u guys?

im aussi also, got the x800pro for $600.

[ravenwebb]

good job to that dude thats posting the stats from ati... LINK IT!
those are some 1337 copy/past skills WOAH.


anyway, why the hell would you buy a 9700?
worst idea ever...
its like 2 gen old

save your money and buy a new x850

[HicRic]

Obviously money is an issue for you.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...agx_2d006_2dht

This is the 9800pro I brought recently. It's great, runs BF2 very well and has arctic cooling fitted already. Nice for a bit of O/C if you want, or just a very reliable fan otherwise. £82-a bit above your price, really, but I think it'd serve you better than a 9700 which you'll want to replace in the end for better games anyway?

Just a more reasonably priced option to choose from. :)

[UomoD1Merda]

as a proud owner of a 9700pro ( well, a 9500pro modded to 97000pro and oced to 300/300 ) i'd say that it can run BF2 pretty smooth at 1024X768 med settings AA2X... but if you can fix that 9800 should go way better

[HicRic]

UomoD1Merda, just out of curiosity, what's your processor and RAM on that comp?

[bisley]

Sorry but i don't understand why are you down sizing from a 9800 pro to a discon 9700 pro.
I bet if you put a better cool fan on it rather than the stock one you would get better results for £10 $15 others running 9800 pro for BF2 in this forum will sort you out m8 use the forum search tool put in 9800 pro see who is using one with success and PM them.

Info about the 2 cards................

9700 pro Now a discontinued product by ATI.
OverviewRedefine the word Ultimate. The All-in-Wonder® 9700 PRO is the ultimate visual and home entertainment experience for your PC. It combines the fastest 3D gaming performance, superior television and entertainment features, along with easy-to-use video editing and capture found in a graphics card. With 128MB DDR memory, the All-in-Wonder® 9700 PRO is the first to support Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0, AGP 8X, utilize THEATER™ 200 for stereo and video decoding and processing, and have dual TV-tuner capabilities in its class.
At-a-glance

• Powered by the Radeon® 9700 PRO visual processing unit
• Unparalleled TV and DVD features: TV-on-Demand™, Gemstar GUIDE Plus+™, mulTView™, VideoSoap™, ThruView™ and much more
• Easily edit video into your own creations: Video CD and DVD Authoring
• 128 MB DDR memory
• AGP 8X support
• Complete DirectX® 9.0 support
• 30 foot user interface for hand held remote control to control your pc applications
• Use component output to watch TV, DVDs, and videos on your High Definition TVs
  All-in-Wonder® 9700 PRO <H3>Specifications
  
  Features
  • Radeon® 9700 PRO Visual Processing Unit
  • Eight parallel rendering pipelines
  • Four parallel geometry engines
  • 128MB DDR memory
  • 256-bit DDR memory interface
  • AGP 8X support
  • THEATER™ 200 Video decoder and stereo audio processor
  • S/PDIF output
  • Dual 12-bit ADCs
  • Adaptive Comb Filter
  • Stereo TV tuner with 125 channels
  • TV-on-Demand™ timeshifting
  • Radio frequency remote control
  • Video capture and editing including VideoCD and DVD Authoring
  • Component Video output via a YPrPb adapter
  System Requirements
  • All-in-Wonder 9700 PRO requires connection to your PC's internal power supply for operation. Consult your system builder or OEM to ensure your system has an adequate power supply. Otherwise ATI recommends a 300 watt power supply or greater to ensure normal system operation where a number of other internal devices are installed.
  • Intel® Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron™, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 8X/4X/2X slot
  • 128MB of system memory
  • Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
  • DVD playback requires DVD drive
  • Interactive Program guide requires Internet connection for listing updates
  • Remote control receiver requires available USB port
  • mulTView™ requires a TV WONDER™ or TV WONDER™ VE card
  • 500MHZ minimum processor speed for MPEG-2 video capture
  • Sound Subsystem with DirectSound® drivers
  Graphics controller
  • Radeon® 9700 PRO Visual Processing Unit (GPU)
  Memory configuration
  • 128MB DDR
  Operating system support
  • Windows® XP (Home and Professional)
  • Windows® 2000
  • Windows® Me
  • Windows® 98/98SE*
    *Windows® Me driver can be installed on Windows® 98/98SE
  Display support
  • One display (VGA or DVI) simultaneously connected with a TV or VCR
  • YPrPb output adapter (available in North America only)
  TV-tuner requirements
  • TV signal from amplified antenna or cable. Versions available for:
    • NTSC (North America, Japan, and Latin America*)
  Features vary from country to country and depending on the television standard. *Note that Latin American countries using the PAL M and PAL N standards including Argentina and Brazil are supported by the NTSC version. Connectors
  • DVI-I (15 pin VGA adaptor included)
  • Stereo audio, S-video, and composite video inputs and outputs
  • External stereo connections to sound card's line input and output
  • Dolby® digital stereo audio output (S/PDIF)
  Warranty
  • 3-year limited
  2D display modes:
  Resolutions, colors and refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors:
  
  Monitor ResolutionHz640x480120800x6001201024x7681201152x86 41201280x10241201600x1200851920x1080751920x1200751 920x1440752048x153660
  Maximum 3D resolution and refresh rate:
  
  Monitor ResolutionHz1600x1200601920x128060
  
  
  Overview 9800 pro</H3>Radeon® 9800 technology is available in five product configurations built by ATI: Radeon® 9800 XT, Radeon® 9800 PRO 256MB, Radeon® 9800 PRO 128MB,Radeon® 9800 128MB and Radeon® 9800 LE 128MB. For more details on differentiating features of the four products, please see the product comparison.
  
  Radeon® 9800 series of visual processors is one of the most visually advanced 3D performers on the planet, delivering an immersive, cinematic experience for the most demanding next-generation games with up to 256MB of DDR memory and a 256-bit memory interface. The Radeon® 9800 series Visual Processing family, in its 3rd generation, merges advanced stability with revolutionary features.
  
  At-a-glance:
  • Radeon® 9800 series powers through the most demanding next-generation 3D titles, scenes and environments
  • Featuring highly programmable cinematic shader engines and support for Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 and OpenGL® feature sets
  • Experience impeccable 3D visual realism with the advanced engineering of ATI technology
  • Radeon® 9800 series beats with the heart of a champion, backed by the latest Catalyst™ software suite
  
  
  
  Product Comparison
  
  Radeon 9800 XT Radeon 9800 PRO
  
  Radeon 9800 PRO Radeon 9800Frame Buffer256MB DDR256MB GDDR2128MB DDR128MB DDRMemory Interface256-bit256-bit256-bit256-bitRendering Pipelines8888Pixel Fillrate (Gpixels/sec)3.33.043.042.6Engine Clock (MHz)412380380325Memory Clock (MHz)730700680580Output ConnectionsVGA + TV + DVIVGA + TV + DVIVGA + TV + DVIVGA + TV + DVI
  
  Sorce...http://www.atitech.com/
  
  

DONT buy ATI , ppl wont learn

[]DKE[ Milio]

Perhaps it is because you have some old drivers? Try to use a new one. If this won't work, perhaps a format works.

[glasseye]

DONT buy ATI , ppl wont learn

learn what?