APC's underpowered?

[-Shifty-]

Re: APC's underpowered?

I'd like to start off saying that a 25mm cannon isn't meant to kill with splash damage. The M3A3 Bradley needs to directly hit infantry with it's cannon to kill them. These aren't tank shells, they are large caliber bullets designed to take out soft targets (Trucks, APCs, jeeps, bunkers, etc.) they were not designed to take on main battle tanks and they certainly aren't made for mowing down infantry. That's what the smaller caliber .50 machine gun is for in the commander seat.

Now that this has been cleared up, I'd like to say this is a game and it's unrealistic, so there is massive splash damage and I can generally take down a soldier without body armor in 4-6 shots. That is equal to one "burst" from the Bradley. So I do not think it is underpowered, I think it's being used against the wrong targets and it's actually doing a darn fine job at not doing it's job.

To sum this all up shortly: they are overpowered since you don't need to directly hit your target to kill them as you would in real life.

If you want to speak about the .50 being underpowered I would have to say it's a pea shooter and a sad joke when compared to the real thing.

[dfour]

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I agree the apc's arent underpowered but the .50 cal are even compared to BF2 they suck. Any chopper pilot was wary of jeep or humvee mounted 50's in BF2 as they would tear you a new one if you flew to low and didnt spot them but BC2 they take forever to even seem to be doing any damage to a chopper and only in hardcore mode do they seem that effective vs infantry.

If you worried about ammo count take the fast reload perk and count your rounds.

[-Shifty-]

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I'm so sick and tired of the stupid damage systems games have adopted. (mini-rage on) It's those FU**ING console freaks and dumb PC fags who want their damn game to be easy to pwn with from day one. What ever happened to gaining skill and working hard to be good at something?!!! (mini-rage off)

What ever happened to NOVALOGIC?! They were the best game developers EVER and their gameplay was awesome. In the Delta Force series and the Joint Operation Typhoon Rising titles .50 cals would be one shot kill.

Joint Operation Typhoon Rising was the last good PC game, and you could have 150 players in the most epic battle known to man.

DICE can go on all the money-making game tweaks for noobs but they will never earn the amazing reputation of game developers like Novalogic.

[=MNKY=Frosty]

Re: APC's underpowered?

I'm so sick and tired of the stupid damage systems games have adopted. (mini-rage on) It's those FU**ING console freaks and dumb PC fags who want their damn game to be easy to pwn with from day one. What ever happened to gaining skill and working hard to be good at something?!!! (mini-rage off)

What ever happened to NOVALOGIC?! They were the best game developers EVER and their gameplay was awesome. In the Delta Force series and the Joint Operation Typhoon Rising titles .50 cals would be one shot kill.

Joint Operation Typhoon Rising was the last good PC game, and you could have 150 players in the most epic battle known to man.

DICE can go on all the money-making game tweaks for noobs but they will never earn the amazing reputation of game developers like Novalogic.

And even then, think about what game will go down in the record books, and which game developer made it...

[-Shifty-]

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And even then, think about what game will go down in the record books, and which game developer made it...

I'm not sure where you are on this issue. Could you clarify please?

I lose hope in PC games when I see things like MW2 being multi-platform games. Multi-platform = low quality

[CptainCrunch]

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Multi-platform = low quality

I present to you THIS

It doesnt always mean low quality. Besides, look how many games are released on PC only that are utter trash.

Crunch

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I present to you THIS

It doesnt always mean low quality. Besides, look how many games are released on PC only that are utter trash.

Crunch

There is a good reason that one comes up so often. Arkham Asylum kicks major *** on a touchpad. The game is just good. I'd play it on my DS.

Plenty of other games are like Trojan commercials against the consolification of the PC platform.

[Kylee!]

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I'm so sick and tired of the stupid damage systems games have adopted. (mini-rage on) It's those FU**ING console freaks and dumb PC fags who want their damn game to be easy to pwn with from day one. What ever happened to gaining skill and working hard to be good at something?!!! (mini-rage off)

What ever happened to NOVALOGIC?! They were the best game developers EVER and their gameplay was awesome. In the Delta Force series and the Joint Operation Typhoon Rising titles .50 cals would be one shot kill.

Joint Operation Typhoon Rising was the last good PC game, and you could have 150 players in the most epic battle known to man.

DICE can go on all the money-making game tweaks for noobs but they will never earn the amazing reputation of game developers like Novalogic.

I disagree, not so much with the fact that newer games are of lower quality, but with the fact that realism + massive amounts of people = awesome game.

I would agree when I was a middle school military fanatic playing Americas Army and swooning over games like Armed Assault... but now after a good 5-6 years of gaming I find the right mix of arcade type gameplay mixed with a bit of realism (mostly in looks) makes the best possible games for competition and enjoyment.

But if you play for a mil-sim kinda thing, then go for it haha.

[-Shifty-]

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From your post I don't think you've played JOTR, Kyle.

JOTR is far from realistic, it's just that the guns actually kill you in a few shots unlike most FPS games now.

[Kylee!]

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From your post I don't think you've played JOTR, Kyle.

JOTR is far from realistic, it's just that the guns actually kill you in a few shots unlike most FPS games now.

It sounds to me like you're explaining "hardcore" mode from BC2 and CoD.

[Infernalis]

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Yeah I played a lot of OFP and others simulation like before but it's too slow for me now. What I would like is also a good mix of arcade and realism, and most of all I want a good gameplay. Project Reality (see features) was amazing for me when you could still spawn on squad leader and APC, you could go right into the battle in less than 1 minutes but you could still take your time and do huge flanks. It is what what BF should be if Dice tried some innovations (minus the horrible netcode).

[-Shifty-]

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It sounds to me like you're explaining "hardcore" mode from BC2 and CoD.

You're so so wrong, and you missed the best game ever. Where were you in 2004 when Novalogic was top notch?

[Roamer]

Re: APC's underpowered?

I'd like to start off saying that a 25mm cannon isn't meant to kill with splash damage. The M3A3 Bradley needs to directly hit infantry with it's cannon to kill them. These aren't tank shells, they are large caliber bullets designed to take out soft targets (Trucks, APCs, jeeps, bunkers, etc.) they were not designed to take on main battle tanks and they certainly aren't made for mowing down infantry. That's what the smaller caliber .50 machine gun is for in the commander seat.

Now that this has been cleared up, I'd like to say this is a game and it's unrealistic, so there is massive splash damage and I can generally take down a soldier without body armor in 4-6 shots. That is equal to one "burst" from the Bradley. So I do not think it is underpowered, I think it's being used against the wrong targets and it's actually doing a darn fine job at not doing it's job.

To sum this all up shortly: they are overpowered since you don't need to directly hit your target to kill them as you would in real life.

If you want to speak about the .50 being underpowered I would have to say it's a pea shooter and a sad joke when compared to the real thing.

In point of fact, the Bradley has the capability to fire both AP and HP rounds.

It has been said that Bradleys accounted for more kills on armored vehicles during Operation Desert Storm than the M1 Abrams.

[Amaranthuse]

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The HEAT missile is crazy against running infantry, it's like a mounted AT4.

[Kylee!]

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You're so so wrong, and you missed the best game ever. Where were you in 2004 when Novalogic was top notch?

Well what you said was "far from realistic, but the guns kill faster." So yea, hardcore mode.

2004... I was... 14. I think I was playing Americas Army at the time, wasn't too into gaming.