The Baur...

[therealsupersupernoob27]

Does anyone find people who use this weapon are in a disadvantadge to other people who use weapons like the Krylov/Scar/Voss?

It's accuracy is only a tiny bit better, it has got a small clip size, it's higher damage is compensated by low RoF and Herzog-users (like me) and ofc it has a massive up AND left-right recoil (which makes body -> head hits almost impossible (102 damage)). At long range it takes the same amount of bullets to kill someone (5x22 compared to 5x20) as with other ARs, and this setback is made even further worse by the bad recoil.
And of course you have the problem of taking peope out while they're behind cover, while double headshotting ppl is fairly easy with the Krylov the Baur has the problem that you're most likely gonna be dead by the time your sights have settled again to take that second shot...

So what are your opinions?



PS I have 10 times as many kills with the Baur as with the Krylov

[sempf]

Re: The Baur...

lol headshot does only double the dammage as a bodyshot dude,and yuo can move your mouse down to counter the recoil, it takes a day of 2 to learn it but then you can handle it easely, the rate of fire is the same as the scar and the left-right recoil is fake as it is you trying to keep it still and not moving your mouse straight down, if you move your mouse straight down it has barely any left-right recoil.
if people are behind cover, why bother taking them out as they cant shoot nor see you. try to flank then and attack in their uncovered angles:easy kills as they first need to find you, take cover and aim before able to fight back.

for a last thing i would say only use the baur if you can easely handle the enemies, it will give you more kills and higher accuracy but you need to own the enemies with a scar/krylov to get much kills with baur. that has to do with skill differences, clip size, and much more.

[imported_Field]

Re: The Baur...

if people are behind cover, why bother taking them out as they cant shoot nor see you. try to flank then and attack in their uncovered angles:easy kills as they first need to find you, take cover and aim before able to fight back.

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i think hes talking about when HE is out in the open but then his enemy is behind cover shooting with only his head/shoulders area showing. yes in this situation the baur is probably the hardest to use because with the others you can fire a couple fast 1-2 round bursts at them a bit faster but the difference isnt huge.

just practice, experiment and practice.

yeah semp pointed out one important thing which is holding the mouse down very slightly which makes the gun show less recoil.

when your in a quick shootout with someone and they are fairly close you should usually just spray the crotch area. then if they are at medium range, maybe fire a short 1-3 bullet burst and then complete the kill with a 4-6 bullet burst. then at long range especially if they arent fully exposed i would use the single shot.

one thing to remember is that you can use burst fire at longer distances than you think and still be effective.

also when you are shooting at people try not to simply stand still because in this position you are the easiest target. try to crouch up and down or unscope temporarily and strafe around. always try to hide behind stuff when you are setting up to shoot people. most of the boxes are made out of a special magic alloy that is impenetrable to any and all forms of gunfire including tank shells.

personally i think a patch is in order where they can actually allow you to fire through certain materials in this game with certain weapons.

[therealsupersupernoob27]

Re: The Baur...

firstly i am no noob, my k/d is 2-3/1 while having an acc of 35-50%,
the only person i found who was/is better with the baur than me switched to the krylov a bit afterwards (afwasmiddel(2))

lol headshot does only double the dammage as a bodyshot dude

when did i say not so?
34+68=102

the rate of fire is the same as the scar

lol since when, that would make it horribly underpowered 1 point more damage than the Krylov but 33% less fire-rate, that's impossible, 800rpm yes but not 600rpm

and yuo can move your mouse down to counter the recoil, it takes a day of 2 to learn it but then you can handle it easely, and the left-right recoil is fake as it is you trying to keep it still and not moving your mouse straight down, if you move your mouse straight down it has barely any left-right recoil.

um dude, yea if you're in a mid range fight about 15m and are going for 3 bodyhits then yes you do that although nowadays i just go straight body->head since at that range the left->right recoil is not noticeable (krylov can go for a double-headshot in this case btw),
but controlling your recoil at long ranges is unrealistic and stupid...

1. by trying to move your mouse to the left AND down while firing at someone far away you are BOUND to **** up
2. it takes a certain time for every AR to gain accuracy again, try single shotting with the Krylov after the 4-5th bullet you will find you wont hit **** - you have to wait a moment after firing not click madly, you usually dont notice this with the baur because the recoil is so big by the time your sights have settled again your accuracy will be back at 100%: so even if you could control your recoil with l33t-skillz it wouldnt help too much

if people are behind cover, why bother taking them out as they cant shoot nor see you. try to flank then and attack in their uncovered angles:easy kills as they first need to find you, take cover and aim before able to fight back.

who the hell do you play with, if someone see's you you have to react,
trying to run away wont work you will be killed,
yea you can say: "So don't run out into the open!"
But the point is I CAN kill people easily behind cover with the krylov

try to crouch up and down

i did that once, didnt work against RedHammerZ...



btw field you arent by any change field-boy from GS/GFAQ?

[sempf]

Re: The Baur...

lol afwasmiddel is a mate of me. i switched to the krylov to, i used to have higher kills per minute(but more life:P) i was 5th dutch baur user when i stopped playing bf2142 for a time. just try to take your aim, first shoot a headshot and then move then gun down(3 bullet kill and no chance to mis the 3rd bullet). also it really depends on how you play and what you can.

oh i see your problem. it doubles the dammage. 34+34 not adds the double. also my accuracy with the baur is now 50, kd barely never goes under the 3 if i play with it.

ps what i said is, do not use the baur vs pro's. the baur is a good gun to use if you have other advantages: it makes them bigger, but it doesnt gain you an advantage.

add me sempf1992 or I_smell_haxxxx. we can get banned on some servers for hacking:P.

ps a good tip for anyone to have fun: go with a couple of clanmates to the nhs server, they are sooooooo banhappy.

[DDoubleVVision]

Re: The Baur...

lol since when, that would make it horribly underpowered 1 point more damage than the Krylov but 33% less fire-rate, that's impossible, 800rpm yes but not 600rpm

The baur's rate of fire is 600 rpm. Always has been. It also does more than 1 point of damage than the krylov. I don't have the figures in front of me, but as far as damage per bullet goes, it is in this order:

Baur
SCAR
Krylov
Voss

[imported_Field]

Re: The Baur...

i did that once, didnt work against RedHammerZ...



btw field you arent by any change field-boy from GS/GFAQ?

yeah thats me. i played as Field_Boy for a long time but i made a new soldier.
i probably shouldnt have gotten rid of the old profile but really the leaderboard doesnt matter once you get to the truth of it.

http://battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/PlayerSummary.aspx?Lang=us&SrchName=&Profiles=&PID=158333010

just because a said tactic doesnt work against one of the best bf2142 infantry players like Hammerz doesnt mean its a bad tactic. it could mean that he either just has better hardware than you or better latency or he is slightly better with shooting mechanics. in a stand-off 1v1 shootout little details are very important.

[imported_Ekalb]

Re: The Baur...

Here's some cool facts kids.
Baur
Min Damage 22
Damage 34
Reload 3sec
Velocity 1000
RPM ?

Scar
Reload 3.9
Velocity 900
MinDmg 20
Damage 29

Krylov
RPM 900
Reload 3.9
Velocity 900
MinDmg 20
Damage 27

Voss
RPM 900
Reload 3.9
Velocity 900
MinDmg 20
Damage 25

Voss and Krylov were the only weapons that i could find the roundsperminute line in. It's safe to say that the RPM for the Baur and Scar are the same.
This information is straight from the weapons tweak files.

[Boreas]

Re: The Baur...

Does anyone find people who use this weapon are in a disadvantadge to other people who use weapons like the Krylov/Scar/Voss?

It's accuracy is only a tiny bit better, it has got a small clip size, it's higher damage is compensated by low RoF and Herzog-users (like me) and ofc it has a massive up AND left-right recoil (which makes body -> head hits almost impossible (102 damage)). At long range it takes the same amount of bullets to kill someone (5x22 compared to 5x20) as with other ARs, and this setback is made even further worse by the bad recoil.
And of course you have the problem of taking peope out while they're behind cover, while double headshotting ppl is fairly easy with the Krylov the Baur has the problem that you're most likely gonna be dead by the time your sights have settled again to take that second shot...

So what are your opinions?



PS I have 10 times as many kills with the Baur as with the Krylov

In my opinion, no. theres no disadvantage, everyone can use it. i BY FAR like the baur more than the kylov or the noob tube, idk why but its my main kit

[Wizrdwarts]

Re: The Baur...

http://www.stupidjuice.net/bf2142/bf2142_compare_weapons.htm?left=scar11&right=har&showall=true

Baur and SCAR are 600 RPM, Krylov and Voss are 900.

[Quemical]

Re: The Baur...

Every weapon has it's advantages and disadvantages. The Baur's biggest disadvantage is the 20 round clip

[imported_Field]

Re: The Baur...

does anyone else think that numerical stats for weapons are NOT useful in determining a weapons real effectiveness?

oh and i actually realized i read something odd

Does anyone find people who use this weapon are in a disadvantadge to other people who use weapons like the Krylov/Scar/Voss?

please explain this....including the scar as a weapon you feel is more effective than the (jack) baur. i personally call it a "bar"

[Wizrdwarts]

Re: The Baur...

please explain this....including the scar as a weapon you feel is more effective than the (jack) baur.

The Scar has a lot less recoil, so it's easier to control. Bigger magazine and still
decent accuracy and power make it a lot more versatile than the Baur.

Plus I like the fact that the RoF is only 600RPM so if I see a guy and start spraying, I usually have at least 20-24 rounds in my magazine so I don't have to reload immediately like I do with the Krylov/Baur.

[jake_]

Re: The Baur...

Eventually a smart person makes an intelligent post stating the following:
"Each weapon has its disadvantages and advantages, but ultimately situational awareness will always triumph."

Too bad someone hasn't pointed that out yet... oh wait

There are times that I've learned, from experience, when to use different weapons. I never just stick to using one.

[iQue]

Re: The Baur...

People get stuck with numbers too much.