Spies are dying breed

[Namakan]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

Yeah but you won't kill anyone with it

I have, even across the map

[iQue]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

I have, even across the map

If you hit someone with 30 hp and they can't find a medpack then maybe

[Salad Snake]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

Oh spying isn't too hard, you just can't do it as well on these 24 or 32 player servers anymore,

Find a good 16 player server and the whole game including spying will be fun and easy again

QFT this is why I hate games bigger then 8 on 8.

A truly good spy sacrifices himself to kill that damned heavy (You know the one) first and foremost.

Also QFT, or to sap that sentry.

Flare gun is the best gun in game, looks and fires fantastic and its a goddamn flare gun!!

Yeah but you won't kill anyone with it

To me it's main use is against snipers or other camping players, but it can also be useful when people are capping a point, a lot of the time they stand still then. Even from afar you can force them to leave the point or burn.


Anyway, spy tip, a lot of the time when you get shot by a bullet-type weapon there's no visible recoil from the spy, along with the fake healthbar not going down, I've managed to trick some people into thinking they're just shooting their own teammate.

One particular time I walked up to an engi and he shot me, to which I spammed the "no" voicecom. He spammed "yes" and went back to his sentry, which I promptly sapped after stabbing him. (One of those fast stab & sap combos)

Of course this won't work with the flamethrower! Also sometimes people notice you don't give off those "sparks" that appear when you shoot a real teammate.

[Dairuka]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

Going for Sentries is a waste of time unless you're on a team that is well co-ordinated (and thereby dominating already).

A spies talents are wasted when an engineer can just go around wrenching everything in sight to one-shot kill any would-be sappers. A spy would be better used to harass the enemies best offensive players, or to kill off medics.

Of course... as a Spy, I don't even use my sapper on sentries anymore, unless it's a guaranteed easy kill. Instead I just blow up sentries with my gun from afar now. Six shots usually does the trick if the engineer isn't repairing. Remember, the spy's gun doesn't lose damage from long distances, and it's exceptionally accurate.

[signa]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

You need to learn the technique of backstabbing the engineer, then sapping the sentry before it can turn to shoot you.

[MrChris_CJ]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

Level 2 and below just backstab and sap

level 3, either do the coordination or if there are no other enemies around dance around like theres a rocket up you're *** spamming sappers as he whacks em off

[ch3ch3n]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

You need to learn the technique of backstabbing the engineer, then sapping the sentry before it can turn to shoot you.

why you not make a movie how to play the spy?

[MrChris_CJ]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

go to youtube and search for tf2 class guides, the best ones are by a guy called EvilDaedelus

[jake_]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

You need to learn the technique of backstabbing the engineer, then sapping the sentry before it can turn to shoot you.

:nod:

or stab then instantly cloak, or sap then cloak and stab, if the engineer isn't looking directly at the sentry, or too near it.

[Salad Snake]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

Going for Sentries is a waste of time unless you're on a team that is well co-ordinated (and thereby dominating already).

A spies talents are wasted when an engineer can just go around wrenching everything in sight to one-shot kill any would-be sappers. A spy would be better used to harass the enemies best offensive players, or to kill off medics.

Of course... as a Spy, I don't even use my sapper on sentries anymore, unless it's a guaranteed easy kill. Instead I just blow up sentries with my gun from afar now. Six shots usually does the trick if the engineer isn't repairing. Remember, the spy's gun doesn't lose damage from long distances, and it's exceptionally accurate.

Eh....sometimes a sentry is in a place too hard to reach for soldiers and demos (and snipers since they can also take down sentries with ease in certain situations), in pub servers this can be a one-way ticket to stalemate. As a spy you can destroy that sentry to keep your team pushing forward, instead of just going sniper and camping the point before the sentry. (As happens too often in pubs.... )

Also, while I do agree with you that the six-shooter is accurate, it does lose dmg with range.

why you not make a movie how to play the spy?

Youtube video-How to play The Spy (Revolver dmg tables are included in the video)

[signa]

Re: Spy s are dying breed

why you not make a movie how to play the spy?

good idea. maybe ill try making one.

[Yukiism]

Re: Spies are dying breed

Got a new tip:

It may be strange, but walk backwards in disguise! It's been ages i was last spy checked using this method. I guess the enemy doesn't think you're a spy when you walk backwards because you are ''retreating''.
I use it when crossing the frontlines and in engineer invested areas.

[MrChris_CJ]

Re: Spies are dying breed

yer that is a good idea, but not for all situations

most people will still spycheck you anyway but sometimes it will fool them

bad thing is you blind yourself to the direction you want to go

but the risk can certainly be worth it

[Yukiism]

Re: Spies are dying breed

Yes, the only problem is that you can bump into people. But sometimes i just take a peek and go on.
I found this tactic extremely effective at 2fort where engies love to camp with their sentries.

[Dairuka]

Re: Spies are dying breed

I find that people get tunnel vision when they have goals.

Wait until people find their goal before you try to interfere.

Points, Carts, Destructible Engie Assets, Far off Enemies... all make wonderful distractions to allow you to backstab 4+ people at once. My current record is 11 at once.

Do this and you won't need to worry about your disguise. You just need to get in behind them and find a good vantage point where you can't be seen while you wait. By far my favorite stage to do this is the original Well stage where people tend to do a lot of long-range fighting by the rivers or center point.

Of course, defending as a spy for all of the Gold Rush stages are pure gold for spies, since the cart makes a great place for people to get distracted.