Medics

[BrokenMachine]

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OK thats not as bad then I thought you meant all classes and not just recon. :p

I'm still thinking that there could have been another solution rather than just removing prone from the recon class. I'll wait till I play the game before I decide whether its a good idea or not then.

[StoneCold313]

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According to this beta impressions NO ONE CAN PRONE...

http://xbox360.consolenewsblog.com/4624-battlefield-bad-company-beta-impressions/

NO PRONE!! the developers have decided that in this game players will not be able to go to a prone possition, this is very bad when you are behind cover but your head sticks up when crouched, someone opens up fire on your possition you can not take cover by going prone. Not just snipers, no one can go prone.

To leave the prone ability to other classes would be same if you would remove jumping ability from Assault Class and let everyone else have it... It just won't happen...

[BrokenMachine]

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Then I stand by my original statement of it it being a bad idea. :p

I'd rather have all the classes being able to go prone than one class having a ghillie suit. But I'll wait till the demo comes out to try it and then I'll complain more

[Deflex]

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What?!?

No prone... :cry:

Well, that about does it for me. I like prone but hopefully it will just as good without it. Espicially if it imbalences the game, it will be better without it.

But I think that if there's going to be no prone, just snipers would of been just fine. :|:

grrrrrrrrr.

[StoneCold313]

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In Call Of Duty 4, Infinity Ward balanced the game out perfectly when it comes to ghillie... It's really hard to spot you when you are on the "stealth" mode.. But when you fire your gun without an silencer, you will be seen on the minimap...

But in Battlefield, the minimap doesn't work like that...

So if the solution was to remove prone, then fine.... Think about the bright side...

1) No more dolphin diving n00bs
2) He can't do it either
3) You can blow stuff up

So what's the problem with this?

[AllFoamNoBeer]

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In Call Of Duty 4, Infinity Ward balanced the game out perfectly when it comes to ghillie... It's really hard to spot you when you are on the "stealth" mode.. But when you fire your gun without an silencer, you will be seen on the minimap...

But in Battlefield, the minimap doesn't work like that...

So if the solution was to remove prone, then fine.... Think about the bright side...

1) No more dolphin diving n00bs
2) He can't do it either
3) You can blow stuff up

So what's the problem with this?

You can't prone. That is the problem. Justifying it is pretty useless. It's one of the elementary features of the BF series.

[StoneCold313]

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The BF series has always been a PC game... That's the platform where all the games has
been created(except for BF:MC)...

But this is created from ground up to next gen consoles(Xbox360 and PS3). Not for PC...

And i wouldn't say that prone is one of the elementary features of the Battlefield franchise...

How many times you have seen in a feature list look like this

"* Online multiplayer action with up to 64 players on the PC.
* All-new gameplay engine brings the immense locations to life complete with realistic physics and dynamic lighting.
* Maps scale to the number of players engaging in battle for a unique and intense experience every time.
* Take control of over 30 land, sea, and air vehicles, including tanks, helicopters, hovercraft, fast attack vehicles, and fighter jets.
* You can prone. With our prone feature, you can dolphin dive, never seen in a battlefield before."

[BrokenMachine]

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With regards to dolphin diving that was pretty much solved with BF2142 as you had a delay from when you hit the ground to when you could fire your weapon. This meant it was more effective to crouch rather than dive all the time like in BF2. They also removed the ability to fire when jumping which stopped people jumping while prone and firing at the same time so I don't think dolphin diving is really an issue any more.

Like I said before, why remove an ability of ALL classes for the benefit of ONE class. It would be easier and better in my opinion just to not give the sniper a ghillie suit that makes them invisible. or to come up with a solution that would mean proning would still be included.

[StoneCold313]

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You could dolphin dive in BF2142, but it wasn't done the same way as in BF2...

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWd77UWs45M[/media]

And im pretty sure that DICE had a clear plan to include ghillie, and make it work after the BF2 ghillie... They wanted to keep it, so they took out some thing from the game to balance things out.. I really don't understand why you guys are making it so big of an deal...

But anyways... This whole 'why you can't prone' thing is really starting to annoy me... I personally don't have a problem with it... They could have taken the jump ability out too while they are at it. And replace it with Cod 4 like 'hit button to climb over' thing.. That would have taken out all the bunnyhoppers and glitchers...

This game is something really different from all the other games, and im really looking forward to get my hands on.. With or without prone ability, im gonna get it...

[BrokenMachine]

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Dolphin diving in 2142 may have been possible but it was never near the level it was in BF2 where everyone would just dive on the ground and shoot you because of the advantage it gave. The video even says "Training 1 hour a day every day".

If you take a succesful game and you try something new with it but because the new thing doesn't work how you want it too (in this case gives an advantage) then wouldn't it make sense to modify the new feature rather than change the already successful game and risk making it worse?

[Deflex]

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Didn't know they called it 'Dolphin Diving.'

That's pretty BA. :p

Still wish snipers could prone though... :|:

But in Battlefield, the minimap doesn't work like that...

But in Battlefield: Modern Combat, I've heard stories of people saying that once a sniper is spotted that a red dot appears over their head and it won't go away. I also heard that they were bringing it back to Battlefield: Bad Company so...

It sounds like once you're spotted, the entire enemy team will be chasing your hide. :|:

I've seen the red dot show up in one of the BF: BC trailers (I think it's the Multiplayer Survival Guide) but either way, it sounds like snipers are going to be everybody's worst enemy...

Good thing is, I love sniping.

[StoneCold313]

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I never have played BF:MC... So i can't talk about that...

And what i have read/heard about the spotted system, the triangle stays there for a while, and it goes away after a while(like in BF2142)...

But either way... It doesn't matter, it just adds some extra challenge for us snipers..

@BrokenMachine

I admit that the video i posted was an bad example... Everyone could dolphin dive even without "practicing"... It was just matter of hotkeys/macros... But i've heard that PB has gotten hostile against hotkeys lately...

And about the risk making it worse... In a way, it would make sense to use the same formula of the last successful game, and just polish the graphics, add few new maps and throw it out there...

But if you wanna make a whole new game, then removing some old features, and adding loads of new ones would make sense...

Im pretty sure that when/if BF3 comes to PC, it will have prone, jets bigger maps etc... But this isn't for PC...

:salute:

[BrokenMachine]

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I guess what I really want is battlefield on the console rather than some sort of spawn of battlefield. There seem to be a lot of people kicking off about it on the official forums. But like you say its a whole new game so I'll just have to wait and see and if I'm still not happy with it then hopefully they will have all the features we all want in Battlefield 3. :)

[StoneCold313]

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Yeah... All we can really do is wait and see... I gotta say that the game looks really promising even without an ability to prone or without pistols to everyone...

But im pretty sure that there is lot of different things in BF3... For example bigger maps because of the 64 players... Jets, variety of vehicles... and so on...

[Rugerdog]

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Joint Ops wasn't ruined by snipers and they were nearly invisible before shooting. I'm sure a system could be worked out.