Last Stand in Hardcore

[Sugarbear(SID)]

I don't want to start any kind of flamewar or anything, but Last Stand ruins the game. Especially in Hardcore.

It's pretty silly that you can shoot somone in the chest point blank with a .50 cal weapon and they just drop to the ground and shoot you. Never mind the fact that they are invincible for the second or so it takes for the animation to drop them to the ground and that they can still shoot you with perfect accuracy while invincible.

I hate hate hate that in hardcore one or two bullets from and M16 will kill anyone, but you put a full three round burst into someone with last stand and they don't die. It's become instinct for me to continue shooting people as they fall which wastes ammo for two reason, if they don't have last stand I'm just firing rounds I don't need to, and if they do have last stand my second burst from the M16 won't kill them while they fall and the third burst is not cued up in time to kill them before they can kill me.

get rid of it, or make it work correctly.

[=)BiT(=AutoFodder]

Never had an issue with it, I just learned to watch for the animation and put a few more rounds into them.

[-Shifty-]

Last stand doesn't ruin the game, it's totally fair, sure it's annoying but seriously you suck if you get killed all the time by last stand, it's so easy to just put ONE more bullet into the guy. And even if you're out of ammo you can knife him (well so can he) and you can flank and finish him off. The only times I die to last stand is when I'm on a rampage shooting a bunch of guys in a room and I see the guy fall but not die and get knifed/shot in the back :P.


On hardcore I can see how more annoying it could be. But there's no point in whining about it, something so easy to avoid.

[=98=]

Learn to give them one more round for luck. I never have a problem.

Learn and adapt.

[iQue]

It is really annoying in Hardcore indeed - I play softcore the most so I'm not bothered by it too much. Martyrdom is also a bastard cause you don't get a grenade danger indicator.

Most of the time I can avoid it, but still... meh.

[Sugarbear(SID)]

it's not so much a matter of them killing me, I don't have a problem with that, and can avoid it pretty easily, it's just stupid that you can't kill someone with last stand, even with a headshot they often survive, and then they just hit the suicide key and no one gets any points.

and as I said, I've learned to put a few extra bullets into everyone, problem is, there is a portion of time where someone with last stand cannot be harmed, but they can kill you, meaning no matter how many rounds you put into them they still can get the drop on you.

Not to mention the fact that if I just shot you in the chest with a high powered rifle, and you were extremely lucky enough to survive, and pull out your gun, you would not be able to aim it with any accuracy.

They need to take away the suicide option, give the person who drops the player down to the ground points for the kill (not the assist) even if someone else finishes him off, take away the invincibility animation, force them to not be able to aim the second they get dropped and take away the ability to aim as well and the perk is fixed and working perfectly.

As it stands now, from my experience, roughly 50-60% of hardcore players use last stand just to avoid getting killed as easily and to avoid someone else getting points for a kill.

[TrudgiN]

i just fire more than enough rounds per guy

[jackal22]

i agree if you have played hardcore s&d for any length of time 90% of players pack last stand, then just spam when they drop and get a kill.

think of it like regular mode martyrdom only less avoidable and more frequent.

it shouldnt be removed but there needs to be some kind of shaky hand effect for hardcore where they are in last stand, how can you be that calm and aim after getting shot?

[madaba]

I only play on hardcore servers and I haven't noticed it being used as much lately. While I do find it annoying if i'm trying to fire at multiple enemies and I don't notice one is on last stand and he kills me while i'm not paying attention. On the other hand, I like it as it helps get my headshots in.

[imported_Infiltrator]

It gets annoying sometimes, but it's not bad.. yesterday I was playing on a TDM server where the entire (or most) enemy team had friggin Juggernaut + Last Stand.. it would take me half a MP44 clip to kill just 1 guy

[=)BiT(= Evant3k]

I just throw a stun grenade at them or I try to get that easy headshot, I rarely get killed by last stand even in hardcore. I do use last stand with the degle and I do get 2-3 kills before I die but that from people that don't pay much attention.

[CptainCrunch]

Knife em, no last stand then :yay:

Orrr, do what I do and when you see the animation, find some cover and listen to them shoot at you and laugh. I love doing that

Another thing I love doing, especially to my clanmates on TS, is ask them why they arent running away.

Oh oh, I also love to throw a grenade next to them so they know its there and I tell them they better run before its too late.

Yes, someone else can shoot them and take your kill, but thats OK to me. I dont mind getting assists.

Oh man, my side hurts now.

Crunch

[Guiccia]

Just wait for the animation to finish and kill him.Even a 9mm in the foot usually kills them

[Sloi sauce]

It's a nub perk. If you get capped by it, what does that make you?

[the-masterlord]

I dont see what the big deal is because at the end of the day its a GAME. Now i like realism but there becomes a point where it just gets ridculous. If youre using an M4 or something like that and you should have no problems at all with bullet supplies, at the end of the day if you think youre wasting bullets equip bandolier, but im sure u can find bullets and have enough to survive.