Anti Baseraping Server-Side MOD

[sava700]

Re: Anti Baseraping Server-Side MOD

the point i was making is its impossible to compete for players when other servers have an unfair advantage in drawing players so you surely wont see us dumping anymore money into a server that wont get used. as far as we are concerned if a new mod comes out and it has falsely ranked servers we wont be running it. we will play it all day but we refuse to financially support it when the server field isnt level. being able to show rank while other cant is a major advantage.


this might be a mod and its only a little rank symbol but as you know, bf2 players are like sheep when it comes to the rank, that little symbol comes first, then fun and they will follow it off a cliff. i mean would you really expect the vanilla bf2 nonranked servers to even hold a candle to the ranked ones for player count?


dont get me wrong, i would do it too if i could but ive come to accept that our server provider will never allow us to do it but id never fault you for doing it or think less nor do i hold it against you guys, its all ea's fault with the stupid rank anyway but it just truly sucks being on the receiving end trying to keep any other server populated.

I couldn't have said it better myself.... Our server is coming down some time this week... I can't wait on the patch no longer and with it getting dominated by population due to a few showing up Ranked and ours not..its just not worth it even though its free since I own the server and the bandwidth is paid for the year.

[Mitch]

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I couldn't have said it better myself.... Our server is coming down some time this week... I can't wait on the patch no longer and with it getting dominated by population due to a few showing up Ranked and ours not..its just not worth it even though its free since I own the server and the bandwidth is paid for the year.

Yea I guess it's easier to just throw your hands up and say I give up than it is to work with someone that is already hosting DCON for the community. Again I am going to tell you guys to grow up and loose the childish clan mentality so that we can work together to support the mod for the community in general and not your own clan’s interest.

The facts speak for them self, we have roughly 200 servers hosting this mod and we only have about 200 people playing this mod at any given time if were lucky, so you do the math. Do you sincerely think we need another server hosting this mod or should we drop the clan ego ******** and maybe try working together to support the mod for the community in general or should we continue to fight over the few players that are actually interested in supporting and playing the mod?

Look it’s not a clan or an ego thing with me, all I play is DCON so I have a vested interest in seeing this mod do well and I don’t think that can be accomplished by us clan and server owners fighting over a piece of the action when there is not that much action to begin with so why don’t you try giving my idea a try as it can’t hurt?

I will again extend my offer to work with any person or clan that is interested in truly supporting the mod so if you can get past the ego trip and you want to actually support the mod for the community and not your own self interest then let me know and I will be more than happy to work with you on this so that you can be an integral part of supporting DCON for the community.

[sava700]

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Yea I guess it's easier to just throw your hands up and say I give up than it is to work with someone that is already hosting DCON for the community. Again I am going to tell you guys to grow up and loose the childish clan mentality so that we can work together to support the mod for the community in general and not your own clan’s interest.

The facts speak for them self, we have roughly 200 servers hosting this mod and we only have about 200 people playing this mod at any given time if were lucky, so you do the math. Do you sincerely think we need another server hosting this mod or should we drop the clan ego ******** and maybe try working together to support the mod for the community in general or should we continue to fight over the few players that are actually interested in supporting and playing the mod?

No disrespect meant towards you Mitch or anyone else.... and this has nothing to do with Clan ego.. We have discussed many things on Vent before and your a very nice guy so don't get me wrong about anything I post. But the bottom line is there is no way for the rest of us to compete with yours or the other few servers that show up as "Ranked". And when I say "Compete" I just that term lightly since its not a competition as we do need to work together, However a server is useless without a solid stream of players. I've tried everything I can do to make it show up ranked but it seems to be from MyIS that is making it show up that way or just the provider in general.

Its a shame too.. since the box ours is running on is about 5times more powerful than the majority of "rental" boxes you can get along with Dedicated Bandwidth. I've spent hours testing all the servers I could find playing this mod and only about 5% of them are internet lag free and are not choppy even with only 10 or less players..I can only imagin some of them that have 20+ are running. I've not seen a rented server provider rent a box that didn't have several instances of the same game or many games running on it yet that didn't do this.

Box specs are Quad Core Xeon, 2gigs server side ram, Dual 15k Hot-swap SCSI drives.. thats just a drop in the bucket for hardware not to mention I spent several days with it sitting beside me tweaking services,settings and options before shipping it off to one of the best and fastest Co-location facilities in the US.

But I'm patient and although I'd like to just take it down and say the hell with it.. I'll leave it up in hopes that within the next few days the patch will come out. Cause if this game isn't patched within the next week i'm sorry to say that this mod is doomed.

[3_stooges_geo]

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we wont be too far behind you in shutting ours down for mostly the same reasons.
we even made the maps have death bubbles around mains to do away with base raping,but not having that rank symbol next to server seems to be the main problem,even with those that complain about the base raping and asked for a death bubble,wont leave a server with the ranked symbol to go to a server without the rank symbol but with a death bubble.

[sava700]

Re: Anti Baseraping Server-Side MOD

we wont be too far behind you in shutting ours down for mostly the same reasons.
we even made the maps have death bubbles around mains to do away with base raping,but not having that rank symbol next to server seems to be the main problem,even with those that complain about the base raping and asked for a death bubble,wont leave a server with the ranked symbol to go to a server without the rank symbol but with a death bubble.

pretty sad ain't it...

[ArcticFox_uk]

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Is this tool ok to use on a Vanilla ranked server, or would it be breaking rules?

[3_stooges_geo]

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Is this tool ok to use on a Vanilla ranked server, or would it be breaking rules?

no,cant use it.

[HaVOCK-ElEEt]

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out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing.

We never had to to do that in the past, because most good Servers in DC era days had admins, and they didn''t take kindly to that kind of crap. The servers i played on would kick you for wasting resources. Im talking to the level that if it was a really bad *** round of DC, and some total noob kept taking the fighter, tipping the balance of a close match for no reason, they got kicked. You can do or not do anything you want, on almost every server with these mods.

id suspect i was base rapped relentlessly that same day before i made my first comment in this thread hence the hostility.

Why do people direct hostility at the DEVs? As if they are responsible for asshats? lol I don't buy the argument, there isn't a good reason for it to date.

it just baffles me because all other mods seem to have the team players, the guys that know what it takes to win and show respect for their fellow players, DCON though is just the opposite, its the most poorly skilled smacktards ive ever seen in my life. it seems that all the truly skilled and respectable players left third week after release.

Thats just rude lol, and way off the mark from my experience. The DCON games I have played, are the most skilled and bloody matches I have seen since DCF. I go right to the flags, and thats where my battles take place. Attacking and capturing a Flag, then holding it no matter who comes. When I lose it, I go right back to it. Thats what DC and did for me. The final result of all this (for me) is to leave the battlefield series behind, because the party is over, and the bartender is turning on the lights. "Last call, go home please, its over" :dead:

[Mitch]

Re: Anti Baseraping Server-Side MOD

we wont be too far behind you in shutting ours down for mostly the same reasons.
we even made the maps have death bubbles around mains to do away with base raping,but not having that rank symbol next to server seems to be the main problem,even with those that complain about the base raping and asked for a death bubble,wont leave a server with the ranked symbol to go to a server without the rank symbol but with a death bubble.

Hate to tell you this but I added the same script to my other DCON server and even offered to let players that complained about the base raping limited admin on it.

Guess what happen, instead of going over to play on the other server with the base raping script, they returned to the server where base raping is permitted only to complain some more about the base raping and yes this server has a ranked symbol just like the other so that has nothing to do with the players not taking advantage of the server.

I am sorry but you guys kill me with this crap and after weeks of listing to players and trying to work with other clans to support the mod and cater to all the playing styles I have come to the conclusion that most of you guys simply are not happy unless you have something to complain about.

You know some of you guys need to try stop complaining long enough so that you can try to be part of the solution because all the time you’re wasting complaining on the forums is not going to accomplish anything. I find it a bit sad that in all the post on this subject that not one person made a sincere effort to offer some solutions or was willing to work together to support the mod for the good of the community and the players its all woe is me....BooHoo:shakehead:

Since I have been here long enough to anticipate the reaction I am going to get from most of you over this post, let me get this out of the way now. I make no apologies nor do I feel any remorse for how I host our DCON servers as I have never misled players about the fact that the servers are not actually ranked. So before you start know full well that I am not going to back down from my position over the use of the ranked symbols as I will use every advantage to assure that players are able to see our servers in their browser so that there are good populated servers for all to enjoy.

See the truth of the matter is that most of you folks only care about serving your own best interest and really don’t care about the mod for the good of the community and that why there are not more DCON players than there are. I get the impression that the only way you will be happy is if you are able to get all the DCON players on a (your) server where you can control the players and the environment so that is suits your own playing style and that is why this mod does not have the fan base it should.

[3_stooges_geo]

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i didnt use the script,i made my own death bubbles on the maps so it wouldnt affect jets that were in the middle of dog fights.
as far as the whether the rank symbol makes a difference or not, prove us all wrong and remove the rank symbol for a day,just one day.
might be hard to do now that there only maybe 100-150 max d-con players now.

[sava700]

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I support the mod.. but the mod isn't supporting itself. CAL has started its tourney and is over half way through since they couldn't wait for the patch any longer...after the tourney is over half those players and teams in it will crumble and move on to something else, a few teams had so many players lose interest that they had to forfeit till they were out of it anyway.

Mitch, Again no disrespect but what you fail to understand is 3 stooge and myself are not the only ones that feel this way. We are just the only ones bringing up the issue at hand and that is how the server reflects upon search settings. Your server was up and running prob since day one and thats great..and its fun to play on it so don't get me wrong. But the rest of us that wish to support the mod and run a server for it are wasting our time,resources and money since we lack a clear advantage that yours and a few others have.
I'm not going to go as far as say remove the ranked symbol and see what happens cause its pointless.. the players already have it in favs and will come back to it no matter what at this point so it has already established its foot hold on the Mod and players choice.

I don't wish to control anyone on any server..that would just make me and my other members "Nazi admins" and thats not what this is about. Its about the MOD and having GOOD SOLID servers up and running for it. As I said before "rented" boxes have several instances of the game,apps and whatever else running on it therefore knocking down the resources to maintain a lag free experience. I've look at yours and other servers and I've noticed there are several TCP and UDP packets going in and out so that tells me based on ports that there are indeed several things running on them. And I don't blame the server providers since it would be stupid on their part not to.

A instance of BF2 takes up only a small percentage of ram so on a 2gig box you would run prob upwards of 50, all sharing the same amount of bandwidth the server is hooked to which is about 100.

The server I have up below me as do a few others when you search are Dedicated Boxes that are owned.. I own mine, setup by me only and co-located by one of the most reliable hosts in the world. But, it lacks a clear advantage that EA/DICE and now QuakeWars is using to ruin the games and the mods later to be released based on these game engines.