Anti Baseraping Server-Side MOD

[sava700]

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Over the past few weeks I have had quite a few players that have been asking for some rules to prevent base raping and for some different maps so to accommodate them I have setup a second DCON server using the maps they are asking to play and I have incorporated an anti- base raping script so that I can spend more time gaming and talking with the players and less time play big bad admin.

reading this para, I agree alot of players are crying about base raping but again to me thats part of the game...its War. Although its great and all for some players to get their way this is what weeds them out and leaves a certain "base" of players. If they don't like how things are running there are other servers. And as you said its best for each server to support the other so each is and should be different but with the small amount..and I do mean small amount compared to BF2 playing this MOD once a player finds one or two servers to play on they enjoy they won't try others out. And as of now if you look through the listing of those that are up and unpopulated you find alot just the same with Project Reality MOD servers.. most are empty cept for a few which stay slammed packed. I've had a server up for a few weeks with hardly any rules really cept for base raping only if your team has all the flags cause its a PUSH style concept...you push the team all the way back and destroy them! But I'm really considering taking it down in a week or so cause of the lack of interest with it and the MOD from players.

Not that I wouldn't love to keep it up and supporting the MOD but it appears its just dying off to quickly and once Crysis comes out nothing will run on my box but that as I'm sure Crysis will really put the "bleed" on BF2 and Mods.

[Mitch]

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reading this para, I agree alot of players are crying about base raping but again to me thats part of the game...its War. Although its great and all for some players to get their way this is what weeds them out and leaves a certain "base" of players. If they don't like how things are running there are other servers. And as you said its best for each server to support the other so each is and should be different but with the small amount..and I do mean small amount compared to BF2 playing this MOD once a player finds one or two servers to play on they enjoy they won't try others out. And as of now if you look through the listing of those that are up and unpopulated you find alot just the same with Project Reality MOD servers.. most are empty cept for a few which stay slammed packed. I've had a server up for a few weeks with hardly any rules really cept for base raping only if your team has all the flags cause its a PUSH style concept...you push the team all the way back and destroy them! But I'm really considering taking it down in a week or so cause of the lack of interest with it and the MOD from players.

Not that I wouldn't love to keep it up and supporting the MOD but it appears its just dying off to quickly and once Crysis comes out nothing will run on my box but that as I'm sure Crysis will really put the "bleed" on BF2 and Mods.

We are planning on hosting a few servers for Crysis when it released however we are not planning on dropping the support for the mods even if it requires leasing another dedicated box to accommodate the servers.

Other than your DCON server are you hosting any other stock BF2 or mod servers for the game? Also I am curious if Team Dissidents a clan or a community?

The reason I ask, is that CKW is a clan and while I am sure that they would not have a problem with me working with another clan, however since I don’t know your members I am not sure if there would be a problem getting past some typical clan politics depending on the current mentality that some clans have about working with other clans. However if you interested in hearing what I have to say, then send me a private message on the forums and we can hook up on either Ventrilo or Team Speak so you can listen to my proposal.

What I have in mind is not some big complicated arrangement, however if you can keep an open mind and here me out, I am sure what I have to propose to you will not only benefit both organizations, it will also benefit the mods and the gamers that play them.

As I mentioned if your interested in what I am proposing then send me a message so we can set up a date and time to talk.

[sava700]

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We are planning on hosting a few servers for Crysis when it released however we are not planning on dropping the support for the mods even if it requires leasing another dedicated box to accommodate the servers.

Other than your DCON server are you hosting any other stock BF2 or mod servers for the game? Also I am curious if Team Dissidents a clan or a community?

Well what your going to run into with leasing a box from a server provider is other things running on that same box and its not going to be dedicated. I've done some research into the CryEngine2 and it requires alot of server power to run a server side instance. The Box in which I use now was custom built and then fully setup by me and shipped to where its at now which is one of the fastest providers in the country so its very stable and very very fast on both server power and connection. I've got up a DCON pub server and a DCON Match server we are using for the CAL tourney plus I've got a 2142 Match server for a few of the guys that are in a 8v8 at TWL and a 6v6 at TGL..so I'm always doing things to switch stuff up for our members. We are a Clan and I'm sure I told ya we were the ones that made Hostile Acs and one of our members |D| Jaws has made the Best maps ever used in POE2 and one was just recently used for the 5v5 CAL Championship match up between NL and Crazy8 which was awsome to watch when it was shoutcasted the other night.
Hostile Acts!

http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=103820

Also another member owns this site which is for Machina video based on mostly Battlefield and its mods.

http://www.gamerztheatre.com/

We are one of the oldest Clans online today :)

But as it goes for Crysis..the machine will be dedicated to it..and if I don't see much network usage and once I monitor the system resources of the server then I'll decide if instances of any other game can and will be run as with Cyrsis will require alot of bandwidth and server power.

[Mitch]

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Well what your going to run into with leasing a box from a server provider is other things running on that same box and its not going to be dedicated. I've done some research into the CryEngine2 and it requires alot of server power to run a server side instance. The Box in which I use now was custom built and then fully setup by me and shipped to where its at now which is one of the fastest providers in the country so its very stable and very very fast on both server power and connection. I've got up a DCON pub server and a DCON Match server we are using for the CAL tourney plus I've got a 2142 Match server for a few of the guys that are in a 8v8 at TWL and a 6v6 at TGL..so I'm always doing things to switch stuff up for our members. We are a Clan and I'm sure I told ya we were the ones that made Hostile Acs and one of our members |D| Jaws has made the Best maps ever used in POE2 and one was just recently used for the 5v5 CAL Championship match up between NL and Crazy8 which was awsome to watch when it was shoutcasted the other night.
Hostile Acts!

http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=103820

Also another member owns this site which is for Machina video based on mostly Battlefield and its mods.

http://www.gamerztheatre.com/

We are one of the oldest Clans online today :)

But as it goes for Crysis..the machine will be dedicated to it..and if I don't see much network usage and once I monitor the system resources of the server then I'll decide if instances of any other game can and will be run as with Cyrsis will require alot of bandwidth and server power.

Impressive however I still say we should work together to support the mods but unfortunately I don’t see that happening because like so many other clans I am assuming based on your previous replies that the typical clan mentality and ego will prevent this from ever taking place and that’s a shame.

However after reading your last reply, I did do some checking in to what’s its going to require to host good servers for it and your correct I am going to need to a add a few dedicated boxes for hosting Crysis so thanks for the heads up as I had not even seriously looked at server requirements for the game until you brought it to my attention.

PS. This is for all of you that host servers or run clans, if you’re seriously interested in keeping the mods going strong in the community then loose the baby *** ego driven mentality and try to form some partnerships with other groups to help support the mods. I am not going to waste my time explaining right now but if you listen to the players for a while you will figure out that us server owners and clan leaders that can’t work together are doing more harm to the popularity of the mods than many of you realize. Loose the ego folks and let’s try and work together.

[+DNC+BongSquad]

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HEY the CKW server is great. I love the no-rules approach - it's exactly what I need now and then.

[Mitch]

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HEY the CKW server is great. I love the no-rules approach - it's exactly what I need now and then.

Thanks for the compliment; I am glad you enjoy playing on our DCON server. Yea it's always been my belief that there are enough rules and stress in real life. I want gamers to be able to come and play on our servers so that they can have fun and blow off a little steam. The last thing I think gamers want is a server with a bunch of rules or jerk admin telling them how they have to play.

Again thanks for the compliment; this is what I like to hear from our players.

[+DNC+BongSquad]

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there are a bunch of us DNC guys who still rock out with DC now and then - but a big chunk of us have grown tired and frustrated with the bf2 engine.

This will make no difference now - but it is too bad that USI and DCON did not just join together at the beginning...

[Mitch]

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there are a bunch of us DNC guys who still rock out with DC now and then - but a big chunk of us have grown tired and frustrated with the bf2 engine.

This will make no difference now - but it is too bad that USI and DCON did not just join together at the beginning...

We do the best with what they give us. Don't get me wrong I love the mods and go out of my way to support them but as you mentioned we are stuck with the bf2 engine.

As for the DCON/USI yea you can never have too much talent or too many good ideas but all we can do is think about what might have been.

To be honest if it was not for the mods I would most likely not be playing Bf2 much at all anymore. So keep em coming guys:salute:

[*FMJ*Power]

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well join the unpopulated servers and get them populated and pull people from the server you and them dislike and play on another..its pretty simple to do.

out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing. i usually just shut my mouth and play when i get into dcon mode. you rarely see me bitching about the baseraping ingame unless its absolutely crazy. i can take a bullet better than anyone and it usually takes a lot to get me steaming.

i just fear more than anything for the overall player count, not as many new players may be able to take the punishment as good as most of us and ive literally seen hundreds of people just stop playing dcon all together because of one fhag sitting on the hanger roof with a rpg because he knows he could never hit a moving target so he will spawn kill jets on the runway rather than even try for a flag. id suspect i was base rapped relentlessly that same day before i made my first comment in this thread hence the hostility.

it just baffles me because all other mods seem to have the team players, the guys that know what it takes to win and show respect for their fellow players, DCON though is just the opposite, its the most poorly skilled smacktards ive ever seen in my life. it seems that all the truly skilled and respectable players left third week after release.

[Mitch]

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out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing. i usually just shut my mouth and play when i get into dcon mode. you rarely see me bitching about the baseraping ingame unless its absolutely crazy. i can take a bullet better than anyone and it usually takes a lot to get me steaming.

i just fear more than anything for the overall player count, not as many new players may be able to take the punishment as good as most of us and ive literally seen hundreds of people just stop playing dcon all together because of one fhag sitting on the hanger roof with a rpg because he knows he could never hit a moving target so he will spawn kill jets on the runway rather than even try for a flag. id suspect i was base rapped relentlessly that same day before i made my first comment in this thread hence the hostility.

it just baffles me because all other mods seem to have the team players, the guys that know what it takes to win and show respect for their fellow players, DCON though is just the opposite, its the most poorly skilled smacktards ive ever seen in my life. it seems that all the truly skilled and respectable players left third week after release.

It was nice seeing you on the server the other night, thanks for stopping by. Even know I don't particularly care for having rules that restrict a player’s style on the server I do agree that there is a segment of the players that prefer a more structured environment with some basic rules like those to prevent base raping.

Because I am interested in supporting the mod and wish to accommodate players that may prefer a more structured environment to game, I have setup another DCON server that has some basic rules that players are required to follow. Since base raping & vehicle ramming seem to be the biggest complaint I have prohibited players for doing this on our servers. I am also considering prohibiting the use of the SCUD or artillery to directly suppress the air fields, however since I am not big on rules myself, I am not going to make a decision on this until I can get some feedback form the players first.

I went over to your site today to register and I must say that I was quite impressed. I noticed while I was there that you folks seem to be hosting 3- ranked servers but that you are not hosting any mods servers? If you are interested in admiring a DCON server with rules I would be more than happy to set it up so that you and players that share your desire to see a more structured environment have a server to game on with a good ping.

I know that you may feel that this is a problem or that you may not be interested because it is not an FMJ server however since you guys don’t appear to be in any direct competition with us for the same player demographic I don’t see why we can’t get past the typical clan mentality and openly work together to support no only the mods but the gamers that play them.

[*FMJ*Power]

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we love mods at fmj, lots of us are old school DC players then POE1 and so on. we did also host a dcon server, 2 of them at first, then 1 then none after a month because to be perfectly honest, even with 8 of our guys in there all the time, after a month we couldn't compete with servers that were showing vanilla rank in game. there were over 10 of them at that time, no offense intended, we would do it if we could also but we were told noway by our server provider.

you have to admit, being able to pick up all those new players that never know or forget to uncheck their rank box or just want to see that pretty symbol next to their name or some even think for awhile they are actually getting vanilla points. either way it really helps bring players to the server and theres just no competing with it in mods.

we ran into the same problem with poe2 in the first months, it was just so hard to compete with servers showing vanilla rank. we had a eod2 server up too but were having many server issues with that mod. we had 2 usi servers when it first got released and they went strong for about a month and a half then the player base just died out after AF got released and they sat empty.

we usually have some sort of mod server up at all times, i honestly dont think there isn't a major bf2 mod we haven't hosted on the first day of release.

we will continue to support every mod the day they get released as we always have. you'll notice pretty much all of our website news is the mod updates, we whole heartedly support the mod community, we had some of the best DC servers for the longest time, same with poe1 and pretty much any popular battlefield series mod but those days are long gone, replaced with the narcotic like allure of that tiny little rank symbol so as long as there are mod servers showing peoples vanilla rank while and are not allowed to we will only be able to compete for a month or two if that.

[sava700]

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out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing.

its not about disrespect towards anyone or any group that run a server.. its just a game remember that and if you can't have fun on one and you can on another then by all means I would move on and take my friends with me that feel the same way.

[*FMJ*Power]

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its not about disrespect towards anyone or any group that run a server.. its just a game remember that and if you can't have fun on one and you can on another then by all means I would move on and take my friends with me that feel the same way.

i understand and thats my biggest fear, that it would be seen as disrespectful but in all honesty ive pretty much given up all hope for any mods as far as competing for players, other than PR. im just hoping FH2 proves me wrong. its just so hard to draw players because as i mentioned, so many bf2 players are overcome with a narcotic like allure to the rank symbol. what your proposing would be a simple task if we could all have our servers listed as ranked but otherwise its damn near impossible.

[Mitch]

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i understand and thats my biggest fear, that it would be seen as disrespectful but in all honesty ive pretty much given up all hope for any mods as far as competing for players, other than PR. im just hoping FH2 proves me wrong. its just so hard to draw players because as i mentioned, so many bf2 players are overcome with a narcotic like allure to the rank symbol. what your proposing would be a simple task if we could all have our servers listed as ranked but otherwise its damn near impossible.

Based on reading many of your posts, I know you and I don't always see eye to eye on things, however despite that fact I have always respected your views and opinions and that is probably why I quote you quite a bit in my replies.

The quote really has nothing to do with what I am about to ask but since I am most interested in hearing your views on this question I did it to get your attention.

Here is my question Why can't or why won't clans or communities work together to support the mod for the community and players as a whole?

While this may seem like a simple question, before you answer ask yourself why the mods don't do better first.

[*FMJ*Power]

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Based on reading many of your posts, I know you and I don't always see eye to eye on things, however despite that fact I have always respected your views and opinions and that is probably why I quote you quite a bit in my replies.

The quote really has nothing to do with what I am about to ask but since I am most interested in hearing your views on this question I did it to get your attention.

Here is my question Why can't or why won't clans or communities work together to support the mod for the community and players as a whole?

While this may seem like a simple question, before you answer ask yourself why the mods don't do better first.

i always support the mods and so does fmj. i love this mod and you see me playing all the time and i never really say anything. i support your server, allot actually, ive spent many hours idling to help keep some players in the room. i can take about 4 hours of baseraping before it drives me bonkers. you'll see me regularly playing nothing but mods and i always will but when it comes to hosting mods in bf2 its a different story all because of the rank.

the point i was making is its impossible to compete for players when other servers have an unfair advantage in drawing players so you surely wont see us dumping anymore money into a server that wont get used. as far as we are concerned if a new mod comes out and it has falsely ranked servers we wont be running it. we will play it all day but we refuse to financially support it when the server field isnt level. being able to show rank while other cant is a major advantage.


this might be a mod and its only a little rank symbol but as you know, bf2 players are like sheep when it comes to the rank, that little symbol comes first, then fun and they will follow it off a cliff. i mean would you really expect the vanilla bf2 nonranked servers to even hold a candle to the ranked ones for player count?


dont get me wrong, i would do it too if i could but ive come to accept that our server provider will never allow us to do it but id never fault you for doing it or think less nor do i hold it against you guys, its all ea's fault with the stupid rank anyway but it just truly sucks being on the receiving end trying to keep any other server populated.

i have no problem supporting your server with my playtime as every person who reads this thread should be doing to keep the mod alive but when the one server that does fill up is full of spawnkillers and smacktards it just doesn't put the mod in a very good light and turns off people from playing it. all it takes is one spawncamper to get the snowball effect going.


yes there are some very respectable players but there are many more who aren't and wouldn't think twice of spawn killing one guy 5 times in a row until he leaves and is forgetting thats another player on the other end who just wants to have fun too. you have to admit, keeping a server full is sometimes about keeping the players happy and i know if you looked through your chat log its probably 90% filled with people ranting about baseraping, then that player leaves.

you have a very powerful server filling tool in that rank symbol, use it for the greater good of the dev teams hard work and the community...keeping that server full all the time.

why not one 32 man server with maybe one or two basic rules like no attacking uncap unless you have all the flags and one 32 man thats a free for all? you guys could fill them both just from the namesake you built on the one.

i totally understand your approach about rules and not trying to have any, our servers are pretty much run that way but for those 2 maps it works great. i personally think the "other" populated us dcon server has too many rules that can be interpreted too many ways by different admins and ive seen it happen time and time again but its showing as ranked so it has that irresistible allure.

i know its a full time job admining a server when theres any type of rule but that combo of fast spawning planes and wide open mains invites all the raping on the three particular maps currently being run. i honestly don't think raping would even be a factor in the server if there wasn't the so many planes respawning instantly after one goes airborne. i think if it were the standard number of vehicles or maybe even double the number (it would still be plenty of toys for all the players) raping probably wouldn't be an issue and the server would have a higher average amount of players across the board because people would stay longer.