How do you jet pilots do it?

[Dairuka]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I have the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force.

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cyborg_evo_force.htm

The spring itself isn't tight at all, it's actually very loose in comparison to my friend's Attack 3. The joystick by itself is hyper-sensitive to the point where it's quite literally impossible to control the jets in game. I have to turn on the deadzone to 20% for X and Y axis, and 30% for rudder control, just to be able to control it in game with full Sensitive, Pitch and Yew.

However, my desk is about chest high, which is probably what causes my discomfort in the first place. Not only do I have pains in my middle and ring fingers, but my wrist is now becoming sore. I'm going to take your advice and lower the desk a little.

The worst thing about the joystick is the HUD-view hat button which I use to change views to Fly-by, Rear-View and Front-View. My thumb is constantly stretched up to that part, where the back of my thumb is used to press against the buttons below.

I'll try the advice given and lower it to lap level. As for the spring? That can't be it, theres barely any resistance at all as it is.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I have the Saitek Cyborg Evo Force.

http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/cyborg_evo_force.htm

I havent tried that stick, I know it was recommended to me. But every time I look at it, I imagine it would make your thumb sore and painful because its top just doesnt seem comfortable. At all.

The spring itself isn't tight at all, it's actually very loose in comparison to my friend's Attack 3. The joystick by itself is hyper-sensitive to the point where it's quite literally impossible to control the jets in game. I have to turn on the deadzone to 20% for X and Y axis, and 30% for rudder control, just to be able to control it in game with full Sensitive, Pitch and Yew.

Attack 3 is very ****ing stick. No arguments there. Try DXTweak2 (ive got a tutorial topic here somewhere aswell) to toy around with the settings for your stick. You can do some nice finetuning there. To make the stick less sensitive and whatnot. Just so you know- in game Sensitivity, Pitch and Yaw in BF2 options list is for mouse only.

However, my desk is about chest high, which is probably what causes my discomfort in the first place. Not only do I have pains in my middle and ring fingers, but my wrist is now becoming sore. I'm going to take your advice and lower the desk a little.

Do it before you will have pain in the wrist that will start to severely worry you. And if its chest high you are ****ed haha. I had mine somewhere between my chest and stomach, and it was bad then. You could try to play while holding the stick on your lap, but to be honest, it sucks to fly that way.

The worst thing about the joystick is the HUD-view hat button which I use to change views to Fly-by, Rear-View and Front-View. My thumb is constantly stretched up to that part, where the back of my thumb is used to press against the buttons below.

I play in a similar fashion. However my stick is not symetrical and as such its designed to be used by right handed people. Plus, my fingers are ****ing long so its comfortable for me to fly that way. Youll probably get used to it. Just try to lower the position youre holding the stick on first, it will feel akward at first.

Good luck, and welcome

[Dairuka]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I havent tried that stick, I know it was recommended to me. But every time I look at it, I imagine it would make your thumb sore and painful because its top just doesnt seem comfortable. At all.

My thumb is actually quite fine. It's the ring finger that bothers me the most. I have yet to cramp my thumb, or even feel a pinch or tingle.

This joystick is alright for BF2, but it's absolutely awe-inspiring for Mech Warrior 3, Mech Warrior 4, Heavy Gear 1, and Heavy Gear 2. The rumble feature works for each of these games, so it really makes it fun to play these games. I also got it to work with a MAME emulator, so I could play Virtua-On 2 with it. (No rumble feature though)

Attack 3 is very ****ing stick. No arguments there. Try DXTweak2 (ive got a tutorial topic here somewhere aswell) to toy around with the settings for your stick. You can do some nice finetuning there. To make the stick less sensitive and whatnot. Just so you know- in game Sensitivity, Pitch and Yaw in BF2 options list is for mouse only.

I use DXTweak 2 to set the Deadzone. I also stole your version of fine-tuning settings for the joystick. Although I made some adjustments to it, so that it'd work better for my joystick.

Do it before you will have pain in the wrist that will start to severely worry you. And if its chest high you are ****ed haha. I had mine somewhere between my chest and stomach, and it was bad then. You could try to play while holding the stick on your lap, but to be honest, it sucks to fly that way.

Yeah, I'm working on that now.

I play in a similar fashion. However my stick is not symetrical and as such its designed to be used by right handed people. Plus, my fingers are ****ing long so its comfortable for me to fly that way. Youll probably get used to it. Just try to lower the position youre holding the stick on first, it will feel akward at first.

Good luck, and welcome

We'll see how this works out.

[Adamshannon8]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

i use it a lot and i dont get tired until maby 5 or more hours of flying

[NaZar3TH]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

Well, you get what you pay for. A cheaper stick is not going to be as comfortable as a more expensive one. i use a microsoft force feedback 2 and it doesnt use a spring for its return to centre tension, it uses a electric actuator/motor or some****, so you can adjust the return to centre tension in its control panel.

mebbe get a box or something and put the stick on that, generally a comfortable level for a flight stick is somewhere around stomach level.
and dont grip the flight stick as if yor gonna throttle it, the best pilots fly with their fingertips.

as for your thumb stretching to the Hatswitch, why dont you jus use "c"?

as the others said, your prolly gonna have to end up changing the spring to somethin a bit softer. saiteks are generally easy to take apart due to thier construction, so it shuddnt be too hard.

[2nd-Irish]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

That Evo is very tweakable ergonomically. Play with the button dials a little and try different positions. If you are reaching for the hatswitch, your handrest is set too low. Raise it up a notch or two and try it.

My Evo is set with the thumb buttons waaay down, and a slight offset, and I can fly for days.

[Skaggy]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

as for your thumb stretching to the Hatswitch, why dont you jus use "c"?

When using my joystick (Logitech Attack 3), it's much easier to assign your own "change view" keys to the buttons on the 'stick rather than use the "C" key. If I was to use the "C" key, I would have to keep switching my left hand position between the keyboard, and my throttle, after-burner and flare keys, which are all on the base of the joystick. This is awkward and I could imagine that it carries an increased risk of R.S.I.

Using C also slows the whole process down by a few fractions of a second. Using assigned buttons means I can immediately get into the view I want to be in, whereas if I was using the "C" key I would have to cycle through the other views to get to the one I want.

I would imagine this would be the case with other popular joystcks as well.

[camper.]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I probably have more than 1500 hours with both my sticks combined .

Quirky! :laugh:


Loads of good advice here, good thing I don't have to face this, using a mouse + keyboard :p

[Trooper_811]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

Quirky! :laugh:


Loads of good advice here, good thing I don't have to face this, using a mouse + keyboard :p

MOUSE AND KEYBOARD RULES..!!

[eddyeddyd]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

or

Masturbate more

:salute:

[Adamshannon8]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

or

Masturbate more

maby thats why im soo good?

[adv3rsary187]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

It's been two weeks since I've got my new joystick, and have logged in at least dozens upon dozens of hours piloting a jet. I've quickly become proficient in bombing, dogfighting, strafing, hovering, stratoruns and landing...

There is one thing that I can't seem to remedy no matter what I do however. Thats the soreness in my hand.

How the hell can you guys log in hundreds of hours in a jet, without getting carpal tunnel syndrome? My hand at this point has swollen up, and my ring finger is losing mobility as a result.

Do you guys have any pointers? I've mainly been icing it, and massaging it; but the pain still comes back, and I probably won't take a break from jet piloting until I get that accursed veteran badge...

easy dont use a joystick.. mouse and keyboard s better

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I just bought my 3rd extreme 3d pro today.. it's worth it though.

[DOGGiE52]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I just bought my 3rd extreme 3d pro today.. it's worth it though.

Couldn't agree more... The extreme 3D pro is just wicked, probably the best joystick out there.
As of damage to the hand etc, it only hurts for me after flying several hours in a row, really.

[Adamshannon8]

Re: How do you jet pilots do it?

I just bought my 3rd extreme 3d pro today.. it's worth it though.

Come on Kubra tonight please!!