Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

[gamer1981]

Can a squad be successful just attacking the enemy and not focusing on taking flags?

I really enjoy working in a squad. I usually try to lead my squad to take flags, but I am wondering if going after the enemy would be more productive. Would you follow a squad leader who was issuing orders to attack a tactical position instead of a flag?

Also, why do people join squad and then not follow the squad leader? It seems to me that you join a squad to work together, but time and time again squad members are running off to do their own thing. I have even had people come on VOIP and say "don't give me orders." What?
Granted, right now I am not the best squad leader, but I am trying to get better.

Thanx.

[CQ-Reborn]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

It depends, if your on Sharqi lets say, and your moving around capping flags as USMC as they get taken over the city constantly (as they usually are) that'll keep you the rest of your team from getting pushed back to the TV station which is very important to keep if you lose it you usually try to get it back ASAP. If you got the whole city or your on the MEC you can pretty much just press the offensive. Its all a matter of what the situation is.

[ham_411]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

I see your point but playing in this syle would just prolong the round as the tickets would decrease slower if the server was set not to depreciate tickets depending on no. of flags held. Plus capping a flag could push the enemy further back, condensing them into a smaller area, which is harder to defend. So i would say, flag caps are vital on the road to success.
And as for joining a squad and not following orders? i personally believe people join a squad to avoid being kicked for "not squadding up", and also just as not to increase their lone wolf time.

[DOGGiE52]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Also, why do people join squad and then not follow the squad leader? It seems to me that you join a squad to work together, but time and time again squad members are running off to do their own thing. I have even had people come on VOIP and say "don't give me orders." What?

There are always people on the battlefield who don't think like others do. There will always be less skilled players who don't know what's best for their team. The best you can do is just leave those poor morons alone and let them run into a group of 4 enemies...

You, on the other hand, is that kind of players we need more of. Players who acutally understand what BF2 is, what teamplay is, and what you're supposed to do in this game.

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Flag caps only count if you hold them. If you lose them right away because you cap another flag, then you've gained nothing.

The best way to bleed tickets from the enemy team is to hold as many flags as possible of course... but more importantly holding and defending a flag that they want desperately and are willing to burn tickets to take it back. Ie. Mosque (Jalalabad), Woodyard/Refinery (Dragon Valley)

[gamer1981]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Flag caps only count if you hold them. If you lose them right away because you cap another flag, then you've gained nothing.

The best way to bleed tickets from the enemy team is to hold as many flags as possible of course... but more importantly holding and defending a flag that they want desperately and are willing to burn tickets to take it back. Ie. Mosque (Jalalabad), Woodyard/Refinery (Dragon Valley)

This is where I am coming from with my question. My question comes from the frustration of cycling through the Flags. I believe that if you could organize your team, and people would stay organized, the best tactic is to have a combination of defensive squads and offensive. You would select squads to defend a given flag and the others would keep the enemy away. Of course this is near impossible with the open play style.

I think most people like to cycle the flags because it creates higher point scores. Which I think is ok too, but if you trying to experience tactical squad combat cycling the flags gets frustrating.

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Tell me about it. I find going from flag to flag boring as hell. Oh sure, I cap flags quite a bit, but it's more 'on-the-way' as I pick off targets of opportunity.

I'm more of a mid-aggressive player. I defend a flag before I leave it, then I move to the next flag. If I see the flag I just left start to go down, I go back and defend it, then move to the next flag. Some squads I've been in go around in circles attacking undefended flags, and losing the ones they just got right after we leave.

Yes, you can be successful simply moving about the map and killing stuff in your way. Some rounds where I simply sneaked about the map as a supply guy, or spec ops guy, or what have you, and surprised groups as they moved between flags, I ended up getting the highest or top 5 score... And I didn't cap one flag.

The secret to BF2 is playing for whatever mood you're in. Some days I rampage and do flag cap after flag cap, but playing simply to get high score is boring. I like just playing the round to try something new or different, then be surprised that I got a good score. Getting a low score can be fun too, especially if you sneaked into the enemy base completely undetected - just for the challenge.

[markan dorka]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

attacking the enemy is pretty same as attacking flags, since most enemies are either on their flag, on your flag, or between them while attacking your flag.

You generally want to defend your flags by attacking the closest enemy flag (well, the one which most likely is spawning guys to attack YOUR flag). If you die on offence, say, midway to enemy flag, you still have option to defend that flag of yours (by default you HAVE to defend it, since your opponent probably is coming there the moment you've spent your 15 seconds tick away). If you defend a flag and get killed, you lose the flag.

Just keep your eyes open and intercept the enemies that quite didn't bump into you on their way to your flag.

And sometimes you don't want to get a flag anyway. Some flags are just 100% deathtraps when under attack. Better to let your enemies keep them and just rape them as they spawn - the ticket drain that way is way bigger than by holding the flag.

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Better to let your enemies keep them and just rape them as they spawn - the ticket drain that way is way bigger than by holding the flag.

Spawn killing is stupid. Sometimes it's necessary while moving towards a flag, or trying to cap it. Otherwise, no. It's not a cool tactic. It's cheap.

[-=TxG=-Phoenix]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Spawn killing is stupid. Sometimes it's necessary while moving towards a flag, or trying to cap it. Otherwise, no. It's not a cool tactic. It's cheap.

I agree!

May times I have found a rather strong resistance can be overcome by spawn camping a flag before you try to take it! Unlike real life were you take out your enemy and continue on your objective, players in the game respawn!

Sometimes you must make it so they do not want to respawn at that flag for fear of getting killed repeatedly by your squad.

[OliTz]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

I just follow the squad leader everywhere he goes. Normally as Medic or Spec ops. Thats basically my main goal in a public server. Just back up the squad leader.

[TotalBF2er]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

I agree!

May times I have found a rather strong resistance can be overcome by spawn camping a flag before you try to take it! Unlike real life were you take out your enemy and continue on your objective, players in the game respawn!

Sometimes you must make it so they do not want to respawn at that flag for fear of getting killed repeatedly by your squad.

There is a difference between killing at spawn while you cap, and camping spawns with no intention to cap. The latter are the players I get pissed at.. you know the type.. The guy in the APC shooting between the buildings killing people who spawn... the circling chopper that never comes down to try to cap, the AA or tank shooting at your base from across the map getting random spawn kills, etc.

[-=TxG=-Phoenix]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

There is a difference between killing at spawn while you cap, and camping spawns with no intention to cap. The latter are the players I get pissed at.. you know the type.. The guy in the APC shooting between the buildings killing people who spawn... the circling chopper that never comes down to try to cap, the AA or tank shooting at your base from across the map getting random spawn kills, etc.

Ok, but the end result is the same! That person(s) camping in the tank/AA or what ever allows others to move in for the flag weather or not it was his or her true intent. I won't go into detail as to what maps or flags this works best at, but in most cases I have personaly noted a fast decline in the amount of people willing to respawn at that point.

It may suck to be on the receiving end, however in the end, camping flags works!

[Maxor127]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

I've won plenty of games just camping the gatehouse on Karkand. Sometimes it's a better strategy than trying to recapture flags. I think flags are almost completely worthless in Sharqi and Karkand, with the exception of main bases. Flags are a bit more important in Sharqi, but a good team can hold TV station with no problems. Flags are really only important for maps like Mashtuur since you have no uncapturable base to spawn from and you lose tickets for not holding the majority of flags. That's hard to recover from when you're pinned down.

[Odedge]

Re: Can a squad be sucessful attacking just the enemy?

Our squad will try to capture and hold important bases. These bases are important for 2 reasons. They have the commander's assets and/or important vehicles. Sharqui is the perfect example with the TV station. That base is vital to the Americans for the reason listed.

But to answer your question directly, it mainly depends on the map. A map like Karkand it's not that important in regards to ticket bleed. Dalian Plant on the other hand it's very important as the ticket bleeds quickly. Maps like Mashtur and Shonghua are important to capture flags because there are no UCB.

The other thing that has been mentioned is how easy is the flag to defend. I normally don't like flag hopping and we will tend to defend flags more than other squads. But some maps/bases don't lend well to defending, especially maps with jets. IO can be a pain too because a lot of teams move in masses and there's not much you can do about that.