F-35 vs MiG29

[motorboatJones]

I have about 200 hrs in jets, mostly on Oman. My kdr is about 6:1. I've actually improved dramatically over the last six months but I feel like I have a few more tricks to learn. One thing I struggle with is taking down the MiGs on a regular basis.

Some main problems for me are:

1) The MiG turns tighter and seems to break missile lock/avoid missiles even with plenty of space between me and them. It seems as soon as they bank, I bank but I just can't stay locked on long enough to get the kill. I have tried leading them keeping my reticle above them just a bit. This works well against the Su but not as well against the MiG.

2) When I lose sight in nose cam, usually during a turn or a climb, I have to switch to flyby or chase cam but by then they are going left and I am going right. I always seem to chose the wrong way to go.

One of our admins told me the easiest way to take down a MiG in the F-35 is to quickly fire 3 missiles then switch to bomb mode while the missiles are in flight. He swears it works most of the time. Well, I tried that but it didn't seem to work for me. This guy is a realitive noob to flying but he has figured out something because he was shooting me down with ease the other day. I am just not sure if it's the three missiles/swith to bombs thing.

My buddy Kiotee says it's all about throttle. I have noticed that slowing down helps keep the MiG in range to an extent but often times flares are deployed giving the pilot a chance to get away.

Thanks for any pointers.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: F-35 vs MiG29

Learn to use fly-by better and you won't lose track of the enemy jet.

When you lost track, go to fly-by, and when you are about to lose view again, switch to cockpit mode and then instantly change back to fly-by... etc... until you get behind him and then you go back to cockpit.

[||3rb||MOBB]

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ah my freind welcom to the world of the F-35. This plane is actually quite potent and personaly I prefer it to the Mig29. Keep in mind this is only one way to take down the mig. You need to first of all pay attention to how he responds when he gets locked up, does he pull up most of the time? does he roll and dive? does he wait to pop flares or does he pop them right away?

Step(1)

First things first, are you spotting him first or is he spotting you? if hes spotting you you are flying way too low. Youll want to sweep at high altitude for him, he is actually at a disadvantage at higher altitudes so if he wants you force him to come up, and use your rear view to spot him also, I spot alot of people in my rear view use it.

Step(2)

Now that you spot him now what? believe it or not thats the hard part and the part that will be most important, the best defense is a good offense. I highly recommend you start using your gun on him get in a good burst without a lock pay attention to how he's flying while emptying your rounds into him, if he breaks hard then you might as well start the missle lock to finish him, if he doesnt notice you then blast away untill he's on fire, the trick is try not to let any bullets go by him, the tracers will let him know your shooting him, try to make every bullet hit, a good ping helps alot with bullets in this game. If you dont kill him in the first pass which you most likely wont, break off immediatly, dont get caught in a turn and burn, now climb and get to altitude and get away from him, start sweeping for him again and go onto step 3.

Step(3)

If you didnt kill him with the first hit of bullets which many times you wont and you should expect this and prepare for it. What you accomplished by hitting him with a stream of bullets is you did SOME dammage hopefully enough to make him smoke, it makes him easier to spot. Now he is at a real disadvantage because he can most likely be killed by only one missle and or cannon burst. He will most likely either try to engage you or break off to repair at airfield. Heres what you want to do though, hes damaged and hes got no more flares, Find him again and gun him and use your missle lock again in the same way as step 2...BOOM you should see some wreckage in front of you, make sure you fly over or to the side of the wreckage, not under as it always seems to land on you.

This is only one of many options on how to take down a mig, but this one works on most pilots up to a rather high skill level. The key to being successfull in the air is to not be a one trick pony, if you do this over and over they will figure it out, if he is at range, mix it up a bit, lock him up since it is rather easy to keep tracking him, I've probably got over a dozen ways to kill a mig and this is just one of them, be creative yet simple and youll be successful.

One other thing, never cut your throttle, there is almost two enemy jets on the map along with a ton of aa on oman, if you cut your throttle in a F-35 your asking to get raped by either the bomber or the ground AA I personaly dont do it except for very unique situations where I know my threat is in front of me and I dont have to worry about the other jet because hes dead or I stole it and I'm above ground aa's lock range (300-350 meters). I know alot of people who are succesfull while still cutting throttle time to time but you better know when to time it, if your screwing it up your competition will be more than happy to let you know I'm sure. I hope this helps your a little.

[imported_Ph1L]

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That S-split you told about Metallica, it worked against some J10's today

Thanks dude.

So try doing some S-splits to avoid a lock from an enemy jet. And go up high, like 800ft... :)

[||3rb||MOBB]

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Ph1l,
also try maintaining an altitude of at least 500 feet when sweeping, it's a hell of alot easier to nose up to 800 feet and just leave them in the dust

[imported_Ph1L]

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Yeah you are right man.. It's a good start on Wake to get J10's/Chopper on the Airfield shot.

[predragjanjic]

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Ph1l,
also try maintaining an altitude of at least 500 feet when sweeping, it's a hell of alot easier to nose up to 800 feet and just leave them in the dust

alot of times I go up to 600-700 and I still get shot by J10s

what am I doing wrong? I tried following some F35s with my J10 and I couldnt keep up with them up there coz they are alot faster, how can they keep up with me

[Venomous]

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Thanks mobb for the tips

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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alot of times I go up to 600-700 and I still get shot by J10s

what am I doing wrong? I tried following some F35s with my J10 and I couldnt keep up with them up there coz they are alot faster, how can they keep up with me

Because that isn't high enough.

You need to go at least 800-900, on dalian roof is like 800 or 850 I think.. roof is really low.. Where oman actually I think is 950. Wake is like 900.

The higher you go = the faster you go.

[||3rb||MOBB]

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Ok, first of all 700 feet wont do it, youll still be flying too slow for the missles to fall away, you need to be at least 750 preferably right around 800-820 taping your after burner, look at your mini map and set your self up for a long run so you dont go out of bounds for too long and punch it, youll hit over 3000 kmh and missles drop off, you need to practice this when not being shot at first and have enough altitude to even make it up to 800 meters, if your down at 300 meters, a j-10 will kill you, 500 is where you can do it most times with out flares and most likely do it with flares every time. I suggest you do as metallica posted and look behind you often, as this buys you precious seconds if they are working up to get a lock on you, you can start climbing before they even start getting tone on you, thats what I do and by the time they get lock its for like hafl a second and I'm gone at 3000+ kmh. Make sure to mix up your tactics, dont become a one trick pony, being a one trick pony is what will kill you more than anything.

[predragjanjic]

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Because that isn't high enough.

You need to go at least 800-900, on dalian roof is like 800 or 850 I think.. roof is really low.. Where oman actually I think is 950. Wake is like 900.

The higher you go = the faster you go.

hmmm thats something I didnt know, thanks

so can one of you F35 pros describe your regular round in this jet

you know in a few sentences, I normally take of and go up to 400-500 right away, when I come close to the middle of the map I go down and look for choppers, if i see a jet that I might be able to lock on I go after him with my MG

if I think that he might be able to see me I go up and come down at a different place, when I get locked on I look back right away and start going up, as soon as I see the missiles I flare and do a little twist, I keep going till like 600 then I start flying in a straight line slowly coming down, sometimes I go higher

am I doing anything wrong here

[||3rb||MOBB]

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A very direct and specific question, Good. Ok, first of all it varys depending on alot of factors, DO I know my competiion on the other side? What are my tactical priorities? if it is wake it is the black hawks and boats if china, if im usmc then it's the j-10s then the attack helo, do you see what I'm getting at here? You need to be able to size up the situation and adapt, if you want a packaged formula there isnt one, you want just guideline of what to do, not a standard operating procedure per say. I will go into what I did last time I played on wake though, here we go.

1st round USMC:

I go for the fighter, some one else gets it, Instead of standing on the pad waiting for the jet I go off just to the side of the spawn pad and wait I start counting for the jet to spawn 1 onethousand 2 onethousand when I get to 30 I jump up and start waiting, a variable to this is if you dont get the jet at least man the aa until 20 seconds and then go to the jet, I watch alot of people stand on the bomb bulls eye and get killed. Make sure your a medic when you fly btw always. I get the jet second time around and I go straight up to 800 meters, I do a quick intial sweep, I dont see any jets so I drop to 600 I do another sweep, I start to maneuver to get behind the j10 from above him, all the while I look over my shoulder to make sure the second j-10 isnt tailing him. I watch him and I wait for a good opportunity for about 30 seconds, then I see him set up for a carrier run, I quickly pitch the nose down and afterburner behind him and get with 2 jet lengths behind him, I let a burst of cannon fire go into his tail I see him pop dark smoke almost on fire, I know hes down to 1/3 to 1/2 of his health, I start locking him up while still firing since hes maneuvering now, he starts to break my lock with flares and is almost out of my hud so I climb again to 700 feet, I dont see him near the carrier so I make towards his airfield since he probably wants to repair, I check there flying to it dipping the nose down slightly then pulling up while looking back to see if hes there as I go bye. I dont see him so I patrol other parts of the map quickly, then I check his airstrip again, BINGO, I spot him setting up for a repair, drop in on him again and gun him, BOOM, hes dead. As this is happening I see the other j-10 on the ground,I think to myself it would be nice to have a 30 second window to take down that attack helo that is killing our black hawks leaving the carrier, so I kill the empty j10 on the ground to ensure this window. I sweep for the attack helo now quickly and find him, I bury a steady stream of cannon into the canopy and watch go up like a roman candle, I have 10 seconds left before the jets spawn again, I now sweep for AA and armor I spot the tank and a aa emplacement on the north tip, I hit the aa on pass one and kill the tank on pass 2 I then go kill the j-10 that spawned on the deck so I have another 30 seconds to get a rearm and kill the tank on the south tip to give my team a window to get a foot hold on the island.

2nd round CHINA:

This is really simple for wake, get up in the air and after you kill the one jet that got up, kill the black hawks as a priority, if you dont, they will cap your airfield, next strafe all and every boat. You want to limit what gets through your net. Next, support your attack helo, he does the real damage on this map, kill that aa in the center island even if it isnt live, kill the empty boats at center island so he only has to worry about stuff from the carrier, obviously take out the cobra as needed. STAY AWAY FROM THE CARRIER, you dont need to hit it and that phalanx is a crap shoot if it starts liting you up. rule of thumb dont go further than the center island, if you do compensate for range of the aa with altitude. Use your cannon on all these targets, try to save your bombs for in case of if you hear "weve lost control of an outpost" check your mini map and bomb that flag with haste. As one man in the air you can single handedly blunt the USMC offensive. Make sure you venture out far north and south to spot any boats or helos that might have circled around to avoid you, also sweep at 400 meters time to time for that rogue black hawk trying to slip past you, if you fire missles into the under belly of black hawks they always hit, same for flying straight at them. Aim for the **** pits or any glass. hope that helps :)

[predragjanjic]

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thanks alot, not really interested in china part since I hate the J10

I think my problem is that I rush things

also is it me or is it easier to actually hit the J10 with ur missile once hes on smoke, do you have more chances of hiting him if hes on smoke?

[motorboatJones]

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That whole high altitude thing gets me everytime. I usually go out of bounds. If I'm over 500 in the F-35 and the enemy jet gets behind me I hit burners and climb while looking in rear view for missiles. It only takes a sec to get above 900. It's something that really takes a lot of practice I guess.

I think I'm just going to have to come in when one of you are playing and ghost on you.

I get most of my kills on ground targets. I love the cannon on the F-35 and I can bomb better with it than in any other plane. If I spend all my time chasing MiGs or Sus I won't get half as many kills, but I guess I will stay alive longer if I can keep their planes grounded. The Su is really quite easy to kill. It's that stinking MiG that gives me fits unless it's smoking.

MOBB, you once invited me to your server. Everytime I came you were in game but AFK. The last time I checked your server it was empty.

Metallica, everytime I look for you you're playing Karkand or Jalalabad. lol

[||3rb||MOBB]

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I will for a fact be on tomorrow, click my stats link then look at the picture near the top left, under that it says whether or not I'm on line click on that if it say im playing on a server, get the ip and join, then join my squad and talk to me, I dont always see messages scrolling so if you type to me and I dont answer try it again, it might take a few times but I will see it, I'm too busy flying to really notice anything other than a target pilot is no more, or j10 killed this or that so I know where to find him.

As far as looking behind you, once you get to around 700 you dont need to look behind you start tapping the after burner and just try to level out around 800-820 then maintain while staying as in bounds as you can, try to get a straight shot across the map to get max speed for max duration, its critical you just tap the after burner. Expand your map if you go out of bounds to see what way your heading so you can plot your path back into bounds, the full map shows more of the map so you can better see where you are, also take compass heading notes if you can, sometimes you lose sight of your self and over open water its hard to tell which way is back in, if you take a compass note you can find your way back easier, example you head north, you lose track of where you are, just look at your compass and head in the oposite direction you went out in, and if you by chance have the fighter and the bomber both in your sights always go for the fighter, never chase the same plane as your wingman since youll hit each other, if you do chase the same plane hang back and just spot the plane for your wingman, it does help, second, always check your map before rearming I cant count how many times I see people make a blind turn onto the runway, if helos are hovering 10 feet above the runway tell them to move their @ss, this pisses me off more than anything,there is no reason for them to do that, they arent repairing nothing.