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  • AncientSerpent3
    Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 534

    #1

    RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

    Ok, so I just went up to Best Buy to pick up GTA:San Andreas. While I was there, I figured I'd check out some RAM prices to upgrade my pc from 2gb of DDR2 to 4gb. I recently purchased an HP a1630 less than a month ago. I've never opened the case so I wasn't sure if it was using 1gb cards or four 512's or what.

    I approached a Best Buy Geek Squad member and asked him for assistance. First I asked him if he knew whether or not my PC used two 1gb chips. He had no idea because it simply wasn't printed on the tag infront of the PC which he could read it from. So I then asked him if we could open the case and take a look see. He hesitated and then agreed to open the case for me. So we got to the bottom of the first question. 4 slots, running two 1gb chips stock, with 2 free/open slots.

    I then asked him his thoughts on upgrading to 4gb, or purchasing an LCD monitor. This is the part where he lost me...and it makes no sense.

    He told me that even if I did upgrade to 4gb of RAM, I would only be able to get use out of 2gb out of the 4gb total due to the fact that XP only 'knows how to use' 2gb of RAM. Basically what he was telling me is that I can't use 4gb of RAM unless I upgrade to Vista. Ok...right.....that just doesn't sound right considering the fact that you can buy factory PC's with 4gb of RAM and XP as the operating system. I also know a lot of hardcore gamers build their own rigs and are using as much ram as possible. Now, to my understanding, Vista is still not on the shelves.

    What is the deal on this? Is he just stupid?

    It doesn't make sense that you would have the option to use all 4 slots and have up to 4gb of RAM yet not be able to get maximum performance with out Vista as your operating system?

    I mean, in theory, if I upgraded to a full 4gb from 2gb, the data would flow through each slot? I don't really know how to say it in technical terms, so please forgive me. But right now, while there is only 2gb's, the data only flows between the 2 chips...correct? So when you add 2 more, the data is now gonna' flow through all 4 slots. Not limit it's flow to 2 slots because I'm not running Vista?

    Help? Anyone?
  • Corkum
    Member
    • Oct 2006
    • 639

    #2
    Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

    Ok, well he actually knows what he is talking about, save for the fact that XP can only use 3GB effectively. I believe it has something to do with XP being 32-bit, while Vista can effectively use far more ram, it being a 64-bit OS.

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    • GeoffRowley

      #3
      Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

      He was more correct then you were, lets just say that.

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      • ConscriptVirus
        Member
        • Oct 2007
        • 6369

        #4
        Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

        yeah that still confuses me...i use to think windows could support up to 4gigs, but ppl keep telling me its 3gb so i guess theyre right

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        • Bloodsport

          #5
          Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

          The more RAM the better.

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          • [R-PUB]MrD

            #6
            Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

            Personally I thought 32bit xp could take 2gigs of physical ram only, that upping this you would have to start deducting virtual ram? I've no idea what is faster but i know what is cheaper, with 32bit xp, using virtual ram on your cheap HDD

            64bit xp and vista can take 4gigs of physical ram?

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            • AncientSerpent3
              Member
              • Sep 2006
              • 534

              #7
              Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

              So if XP only supports up to 3gb, why are there machines with XP and 4gb of RAM on the market? Wouldn't you be paying for something you couldn't use unless upgrading to Vista?

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              • megawhompertoo
                oldswab
                • Dec 2005
                • 2124

                #8
                Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                For the same reason that there are x1600 graphics cards with 512mb ram:

                --> the average computer upgrader is a male

                --> and the average male responds psychologically to the idea of "more"

                ...regardless to whether it rationally translates to a "more productive" solution. Heck, I've been there myself, before I learned a little bit about computer hardware and engineering.

                You put a low end 512mb ram gpu next to a 256mb ram one on the shelf of any given "super store", and watch the lemmings spend their hard-earned cash on a useless "upgrade".

                Putting 4 gigs of cheap ram into a beige box is a similar marketing choice, not an engineering one.

                P.S. Post your question regarding components on forums/boards such as this one. Do not rely on Best Buy's Geek Squad for the simple reason that their job is to sell you sh1t for the highest price possible. Some of them may be well-informed; most of those folks are well paid to get you to buy stuff you shouldn't.

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                • cloakster
                  Member
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 1396

                  #9
                  Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                  What are your other comp specs?

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                  • camper.
                    Member
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3459

                    #10
                    Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                    That's bollocks. It's 3GB of addressing space PER program. Meaning 3GB of RAM AND virtual memory.

                    Go nuts. Spend.

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                    • BoloMarkXXX

                      #11
                      Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                      Windows XP Pro x32 by default can only use 2gig for running programs, it can address 4gig but the last 2 will only be used for paging. There is a registry fix that allows XP x32 to use 3 gig for running programs. Win XP x32 & Vista x32 is still limited to 4 gig total RAM (physical & virtual) its a x32 bit OS limitation.
                      However my Win XP Pro x64 bit Edition will handle up to 128 gigs of physical RAM & 16 terabytes of virtual and if I could find a mobo it could use 128gig for running programs. XP x64 is really Server 2003 x64 Ed. stripped down into a workstation OS use'n the same kernal and memory manager.
                      I have been use Xp x64 for over a year now I find it faster and way way more stable than x32 XP ever was.

                      Read more here:

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                      • AncientSerpent3
                        Member
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 534

                        #12
                        Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                        Thanks for the info guys. And thanks for the link, SickieWifeBeater.

                        And Cloaker, the specs are:
                        AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4600+ 2.8ghz
                        2GB RAM
                        Nvidia GeForce 6150LE
                        250gb hard drive.

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                        • Stormy{CAN}
                          Member
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 958

                          #13
                          Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                          You would be far better off looking at a video card instead of ram. That 6150 is about as weak as they come (and is actually one of the better onboard video solutions, but that still doesn't mean much), and you will be lucky to play most newer games on anything above low settings.

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                          • Boon59

                            #14
                            Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                            i agree with stormy about the GFX card, thats where you need to improve drastically for gaming.
                            you'll see a massive improvement sorting that out.

                            The Vista comment only works for 4GB if its the 64bit version as the 32bit is the same as XP

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                            • AncientSerpent3
                              Member
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 534

                              #15
                              Re: RAM upgrade/ Vista / Geeksquad = noobs?

                              Any suggestions on cards by Nvidia?

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