Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

I agree. Wipe my stats now! Please, think of the children!

Children have all left for BF2142, I better be thinking about my epeen. Nothing tastes better than ROE-chopping your e-d!ck off!

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

seat switching is wrong in my opinion.. i have always hated it. This game is meant to be team based and when you are flying a helicopter and switching seats that is just being selfish. Heck, i have seen many of your kind tk the gunner so they can have the chopper to themselves which i think is really wrong. I wish the helicopters in bf2 were like the ones in poe2.. if you switch from the pilots seat to the gunners the helicopter starts to go out of control which prevents that kind of thing from happening. Oh, and if you start with the whole thing about how you always get a "noob" gunner, etc. just remember, everyone starts somewhere and you should give them a chance.

We're all selfish.

Bolded portion: funny that people are so reluctant to accept this of air vehicles but routinely do the same with ground vehicles. How do you reconcile the two? Can you elaborate on the difference?

Underlined portion: I agree that TKing is somewhat undesirable and that everyone should be given a chance, but there are limits and while certain situations allow for newer gunners and pilots to learn the ropes, we are no longer in the beginning days of BF2. By now, most people have found their preferred vehicles/kits/maps and while there are always new people, it's becoming increasingly difficult to learn because proficient players will kill the newbies before much progress can be made, hence the recommendation to play singleplayer or local servers until a certain level of skill is reached.

I don't want to expound on that... suffice it to say that when a game is very competitive, we don't always have the time or patience to deal with lesser skilled teammates, especially in the most powerful vehicle in BF2: the helicopter can make or break a team depending on how persistent and competent the flag cappers are.

[blizzard84]

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haha, wow Sloi, you really think highly of yourself dont you? I just watched some of your so called "instructional" video and I have to say that's a perfect example of how selfish solo helicopter pilots really are. Even baseraping the carrier.. Just hope I dont have to play with you or anyone like you because you sure do take the fun out of the game.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

haha, wow Sloi, you really think highly of yourself dont you? I just watched some of your so called "instructional" video and I have to say that's a perfect example of how selfish solo helicopter pilots really are. Even baseraping the carrier.. Just hope I dont have to play with you or anyone like you because you sure do take the fun out of the game.

Why wouldn't I think highly of myself? Narcissism is where it's at.

Yes, having done it once during my entire instructional line of videos, I am quite the carrier raping criminal hmmm? You seem to forget that our goal is to win: what better way than to ground the enemy vehicles? It's easily offended whiners like you who take the fun out of this game: stop complaining and f*cking do something about us shooting up the carrier! You have weapons at your disposal and means of repelling the attack if you're intelligent. Stop having such a victim mentality and man-up.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

haha, wow Sloi, you really think highly of yourself dont you? I just watched some of your so called "instructional" video and I have to say that's a perfect example of how selfish solo helicopter pilots really are. Even baseraping the carrier.. Just hope I dont have to play with you or anyone like you because you sure do take the fun out of the game.

Jesus Christ...

The guy shot 2 or 3 missiles at the carrier during the whole round and you lable it as "raping"? Fvcksakes... some people didnt even see armor in those instructional videos, showing just how good of a teamplayer a soloer can become.

Give me a break.

[blizzard84]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

Bolded portion: funny that people are so reluctant to accept this of air vehicles but routinely do the same with ground vehicles. How do you reconcile the two? Can you elaborate on the difference?

To tell you the truth I dont really see this a whole lot, at least not as much as I do with helicopters. Second of all think about it, you are driving and you see somebody/something so you stop and switch positions. If you were to think of this game in real life terms, and I know this game isnt supposed to be realistic, but you cant exactly pull off the side of the road when flying to hope into the other seat. Plus, while driving other people have the ability to hop into the vehicle at any time to help out the driver etc. This is not the same for helicopter pilots. There has been many times when i would jump into a car with another guy and help him out and he has no problems with it and compare that to the many times that I would hop into the gunner seat and the pilot gets pissed off and tries to get me to hop out.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

The game ressembles reality but is by no means realistic. If you're so hung up on that detail, might I suggest the Rainbow Shield (edit: Shield!? I meant R6) series?

Additionally, helicopters are equipped with redundancy systems in case pilot or co-pilot becomes incapacitated... so we're not exactly evading reality here anyway.

Finally, Dice has had several patch opportunities to eliminate seat-switching: they have not done so. In fact, the "time-out" of 4 seconds before the pilotless helicopter begins its descent to the ground just so happens to be the time it takes to switch, fire a TV for 450 meters and switch back. If they were so intent on removing this technique, why not make it drop the moment a pilot exits the seat?

Coincidence? Perhaps. However, I think it's safe to assume that Dice will not be eliminating soloing... so get used to it.

[[Expletive Deleted]]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

I have flown with Sloi twice. He never TK'd anyone or told me to get out. We laid waste to the enemy on Kubra. With no armor, AA, or enemy helos to worry about, our armor column capped the flags one by one. Eventually I hopped out to take an Mi-28 and flew solo as well. I'm no where near as good as Sloi, but I understand that being high and stationary is a "you have been killed by" sentence. Diving on armor, switching, nailing them to the ground, switching back is something that takes timing, aim, and skill to pull off. I would much rather have one solo chopper wreaking havoc with the enemy than a 2-man crew trying to cap flags in a chopper and getting nailed over and over again. Which is better teamwork, clearing the way for the boots on the ground, or trying to cap flags for "the team" and getting served up a spawn counter?

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

Which is better teamwork, clearing the way for the boots on the ground, or trying to cap flags for "the team" and getting served up a spawn counter?

Careful, you're using logic! That's extremely dangerous...

[Desertfox]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

seat switching is wrong in my opinion.. i have always hated it. This game is meant to be team based and when you are flying a helicopter and switching seats that is just being selfish. Heck, i have seen many of your kind tk the gunner so they can have the chopper to themselves which i think is really wrong. I wish the helicopters in bf2 were like the ones in poe2..if you switch from the pilots seat to the gunners the helicopter starts to go out of control which prevents that kind of thing from happening. Oh, and if you start with the whole thing about how you always get a "noob" gunner, etc. just remember, everyone starts somewhere and you should give them a chance.

First bold: Its the same thing as in BF2 AFAIK, its something that cant be changed by mods since it is in the source code.

Sure, I get annoyed when they cant hit stuff but im not gonna lie I miss easy shots to sometimes. Its when I invite them to my squad and they dont join, I check the squad list and there not in a squad. I invite them again nothing, ok whatever ill fly and see what happens. We fly I see a chopper I spot him 2-4 times and aim him at the chopper. Nothing, ok maybe he doesnt see him so I type in team chat "CHOPPER STRAIGHT AHEAD" nothing. I spot him a couple times again, nothing. Type it again nothing. That is when I start to get pissed off.

Also, I have been gunner invited them they join I see the chopper and same as above but I also talk on voip and type in squad chat (Nice green eh!) and nothing.

I have typed in squadchat, teamchat, spotted the chopper and talked on voip only to have my pilot turn the other way and us get killed.

[Cromat]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

All lame admins are that stupid,they just dont wanna be pwned and they cant get the fact so theyll kick/ban

[vikonic]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

People who complain about this feature are the ones who get owned by it most of the time.

As far as the TK go, anyone who flew with me and did O.K in the air had a reserved slot in my chopper. Anyone who waits about 10+ seconds to shoot a target i have been positioning for ages does not. This does not include any tv bugs or any "issues" a gunner might have during that particular time.

If i dont know the gunner, i will give him one chance and it usually takes about that long to realize who you have in your seat. If i am not satisfied, I will jump out and let him have it, or if its an important moment i will redline.

Ranked servers aren't for practice. If someone needs practice, Single player or empty servers .... you're welcome.

Again, I dont like when people refuse to fly ANYONE. You have to make sure what the capabilities of other person are, unless you have some kind of "unfriendly" relationship with them established earlier on.

And to wrap up, blizzard is obviously one of those 10 year old whines, and you can really tell by the replies. "Tv'ers have no skill, fly high and take out ground targets"....

heck, yet a better qoute "Pilots get much more kills with unguided missiles and are more likely to own"

Yeah okay, by now your intelligence level dropped down from 5 to 1.

[Chodda]

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I've learned a long time ago 99% of admins out there are complete idiots. By far they make up the dumbest rules, plus they suck at the game period. I think the dumbest rule I've seen is "no driving to the airfield." I was in a tank that someone left out next to the helo pad, I got in it and then got out because the chopper spawned. the admin kicked me for driving to the airfield. The moral of the story is, ADMINS are fuking idiots. I don't care if they spend massive ammounts of money on servers just so we can play, they are idiots.

[USI_Krusher]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

I have noticed this as well. More and more servers are kicking/banning for soloing.

I was playing the other night on a server, and asked repeatedly for a gunner, no one answered up. So, on Kubra damn, the US had two cobra's, and we had zero choppers in the sky. To me, that rule put us at a disadvantage, and violated the ROE.

I also find more and more admins (not all) have no clue what's going on. My clanmate and I were banned from a server for asking an admin to *gasp* administrate the server. Seems there was an idler who spawned at the airfield at Dragon Valley and was blocking the spawn point. After asking the admin to do something about him for 10 minutes, he didn't even realize that prevented us from spawning there. The spawn point was red the entire time. You see, he couldn't be bothered with administrating, because that would take away from his game play. So, we were banned, because we felt 10 minutes was too long to wait to remove someone who was hindering our game.

Perhaps the previous two examples are related?

on our server, we have the rule "no chopper seat switching" because theres no skill init at all. it shows that you cant fly the chopper and kill people being the pilot. i never seat switch and never will...

Please tell me the name/IP address of your server, so that I, and my clanmates never go to it.

[YoDiddy]

Re: Seat-switching in chopper not welcome by a lot of servers?

on our server, we have the rule "no chopper seat switching" because theres no skill init at all. it shows that you cant fly the chopper and kill people being the pilot. i never seat switch and never will. its a lot more fun having dogfights with other choppers and taking them down. Seat switchers just go up really high and then switch for the TV. The no.1 chopper pilot mastachillakilla2 never seatswitches and doesnt need to hes that good. so please dont do it and try to learn to kill people with the normal pilots rockets its easy when u practice a lot and u get way more kills.

peace

someone please tell me i didnt just read this.