Teamwork

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Originally posted in BF2Tracker forums

Originally posted by Raymond Bellamy

I have 1 problem w/ your post, I feel spawn camping is a legtimate tactic in BF2

How else are you supposed to take a flag?
IRL if you kill every 1 defending a flag it is yours, in this arcade game they come back 15 seconds later to kill you

To get spawn camped in the first place you have to be dead, I just killed you, why should I run to the flag for you to magically reappear to 'nade me?

The way we do it w/ my squad is we kill everyone, & then some of us cover the spawn points while others take the flag

You say it is unfair to get killed w/ out a chance, I say when we kill you the first time defending your flag that was your chance, why should we give you another, don't spawn there anymore, you will have another chance @ the next flag

What is less than honorable about that?

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[Batausu]

Re: Teamwork

Could you work on the format? I don't really understand your post. :)
Move the final [/Quote] in front of your words (and after what the other guy is saying).

[Zaltehook]

Re: Teamwork

I think thats a valid tactic in certain situations, as long as the flag gets taken and the attackers don't just sit there and kill for long periods of time.

My squad has used that approach before and it works very well and no one really complains.

[dogboy71]

Re: Teamwork

Originally posted in BF2Tracker forums



Lieutenant General |SI|SERIALBUTCHER

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It's not really spawn camping, if you are actually taking the flag.

[Pluckyx24]

Re: Teamwork

If you're capping a flag, killing players after they spawn is fine.

[imported_Nefarious]

Re: Teamwork

Spawn camping is if you're making no attempt at capturing the flag, but rather sitting behind a spawn point, killing everyone who spawns.

Killing someone while taking a flag is inevitable, especially if you're doing it by yourself. It doesnt count as spawn camping, because you're purpose and goal is different from just killing the enemy.

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Re: Teamwork

Spawn camping is if you're making no attempt at capturing the flag, but rather sitting behind a spawn point, killing everyone who spawns.

Killing someone while taking a flag is inevitable, especially if you're doing it by yourself. It doesnt count as spawn camping, because you're purpose and goal is different from just killing the enemy.

Do you agree it is a legit tactic for several of my squad members to "cover" the spawns as a couple of us turn the flag?

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[dogboy71]

Re: Teamwork

Do you agree it is a legit tactic for several of my squad members to "cover" the spawns as a couple of us turn the flag?

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I think it is a legitamate and powerful tactic, and requires alot of teamwork from knowlegable players and if used on a public server will give you an unfair advantage .

[Batausu]

Re: Teamwork

Do you agree it is a legit tactic for several of my squad members to "cover" the spawns as a couple of us turn the flag?

It's as legit and as 'honorable' as prone, roll and kill sequence used against an opponent.
It's using the game's shortcomings in your advantage. Sure it's legit, everybody can do it if they want to (and are knowledgeable enough ).
But I won't do it.
I prefer to kill them as they spawn than to deny their right to spawn at what still is their flag (and I expect to receive the same treatment from the adversary when I'm defending a flag).
I don't blame you or anybody for doing this, though. You are free to play as you like.
In fact, I'll try to use the first (and only) chance I get from a squad like yours.

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Re: Teamwork

I think it is a legitamate and powerful tactic, and requires alot of teamwork from knowlegable players and if used on a public server will give you an unfair advantage .

Why is it unfair when every one has the same opportunity to use teamwork?

I am in a clan, & have teamspeak, but when playing w/ out my friends I join squads, & use voip w/ strangers effectively

Squad play is part of the game

It's as legit and as 'honorable' as prone, roll and kill sequence used against an opponent.
It's using the game's shortcomings in your advantage. Sure it's legit, everybody can do it if they want to (and are knowledgeable enough ).
But I won't do it.
I prefer to kill them as they spawn than to deny their right to spawn at what still is their flag (and I expect to receive the same treatment from the adversary when I'm defending a flag).
I don't blame you or anybody for doing this, though. You are free to play as you like.
In fact, I'll try to use the first (and only) chance I get from a squad like yours.

How is moving sideways while going prone (which makes the animation you see) an "exploit"?

btw if you see me prone, & roll it is purely coincidental, I may be moving sideways to avoid your bullets, I am not trying to "confuse" you w/ my roll

It seems as if some ppl won't be happy unless you just "hold still" for them to shoot you

I personally don't find it any harder to shoot a guy rolling

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[BigBadBob]

Re: Teamwork

I feel the same way most of the time Butcher. Of course, as you know, we keep the whole map open. You aren't safe anywhere on the map, including your uncap.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Re: Teamwork

I totally agree with the OP. We enforce a no spawn raping rule on our server, but if there are people taking the flag or at least trying to take it the rule is not enforced for the reasons in the OP's post.

The rule is mainly there for the guys who armor whore the hotel spawn points on Karkand or the MEC pilot who circles the TV station for the entire round even though his whole team is still back by City Entrance.

[kenof2142]

Re: Teamwork

Totally a valid tactic, I practice it a lot too when my squad doesn't have their head up their arse. I will cover spawn points from an accessible area while my teammates cap the flag.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Teamwork

If were capping a flag, I really see no alternative to spawncamping.

[jdrou]

Re: Teamwork

Spawn camping is if you're making no attempt at capturing the flag, but rather sitting behind a spawn point, killing everyone who spawns.

Killing someone while taking a flag is inevitable, especially if you're doing it by yourself. It doesnt count as spawn camping, because you're purpose and goal is different from just killing the enemy.

I agree, this is not really spawn camping at all. I'm not even opposed to actual spawn camping if the server admin allows it (as my usual server does).