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  • CrazyPete77

    #1

    IO....yet again

    I know, I know, this is has been discussed to death.

    It seems that people are making alot of claims about IO and many people are talking past each other. I would like to attempt to seperate two different questions about the new IO mode.

    1) Is IO a good game?

    2) Should IO be removed from the game?

    1) Hard to say. I've been playing it alot lately and its been pretty fun. Not perfect but fun. Of course, IO is a new toy, and new toys usually seem better than old toys when you first get them. Maybe IO will get old fast, who knows. I can understand that alot of people just dislike BF2 without vehicles. I don't play in vehicles much but they can certainly make for very exciting and fun situations. (Nothing like taking down a chopper with a machine gun) Likewise, BF2 was originally designed and balanced to have vehicles in it. Taking vehicles out but changing nothing else can (and may in fact have) unbalanced game play, i.e. medic is overpowered. Unbalance does not make for a fun game. Wheter or not IO is a good game will have to come down to personal preference

    2) Should IO be removed from the game? Here is the problem. People seem to assume that if you give an argument that IO is not a good game mode then that entails that it should not be an option. Of course this is crazy. If you believe that IO is not a fun game you should not play it. If the patch made it such that all games had to be IO that would be a different story. However, IO is an option. You don't have to play it. Explaining why you don't like IO is NOT the same as giving a reason to remove it.

    So what are there reasons people give for removing IO?
    -Stats- People play IO just because it is easier to get stats. Good people play on normal servers, point farmers play IO. Furthmore, bad player get better stats playing IO than good players. Therefore, IO should be removed because it destroys the ranking system.
    -I don't find this convincing at all. First off, even if we accept that you can get better stats playing IO, this does not mean that everyone who likes IO likes it for the stats. Furthmore, point imbalance existed before IO. On some maps its easier to get points. This does not mean that those maps should be eliminated. It means that we should recognize that the ranking is not a perfect indication of skill. The same should apply to IO. If IO players have higher ranks with less skill, well, is that really so bad?

    -ruining non IO servers- The second argument is that everyone is going to flock to IO servers in order to gain rank faster, thereby reducing the number of non-IO games to an unacceptable number. Once again, I don't think this arguement holds up. Looking at other posts and polls, and the server list in game, alot of people are playing non-IO. I find it very unlikely that non-IO servers will in the future be depleted because everyone playing is farming points in IO games.

    Love it or hate, I think IO is here to stay. Discussion of the problems with IO could be benificial (who knows). However, I have yet to see a good reason for its removal.
  • WolfAlmighty
    Artillery Magnet
    • Jan 2007
    • 2113

    #2
    Re: IO....yet again

    There's no good reason for it's removal, but there was never a good reason for it's implementation to begin with, either. Instead of making and tweaking an IO mode that's really only played on two maps (Karkand and Jalalabad) they should have instead spent that time un-****ing up their game and balancing the aircraft issues, fixing STA range, reducing lag, making better hit detection, etc. Making the whole game better. IO mode is just EA's way of pandering to the community in a half-arsed attempt to cover up the fact that they are mostly done with BF2. BF2142 is their baby now, so they just threw IO mode out there in an attempt to please the masses. It's sickening, really, but oh well.

    ~Wolfgang

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    • CensoredByGod

      #3
      Re: IO....yet again

      The better question to ask is....

      Why give a fcuk?

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      • Kendrix

        #4
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        if you dont like it then dont play it. all the servers out there are not IO

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        • Holle

          #5
          Re: IO....yet again

          Originally posted by Wolfgang Abenteuer
          There's no good reason for it's removal, but there was never a good reason for it's implementation to begin with, either. Instead of making and tweaking an IO mode that's really only played on two maps (Karkand and Jalalabad) they should have instead spent that time un-****ing up their game and balancing the aircraft issues, fixing STA range, reducing lag, making better hit detection, etc

          ~Wolfgang
          If your only playing it on those two maps then your missing a lot fun. Sharqi, Oman, Dalian and Mush are very good IO maps.

          I do agree it was something that was never asked for.....either was car drops or a new map.

          As it is, it's an option. Same as SF, EF and AF. You don't have to play it if you don't want to. I for one love IO, played a while in 5 v 5 IO ladder on TWL (until the rest of my team got tired of playing bf2). Had real good time with it.

          If I want to fly, drive and rain down death from above...I'll play VBF2. If I want to slug it out with other like minded people...I'll play IOBF2. And no, I don't play medic or support. Spec Ops all the way for me.

          The only agurments I've seen seem to lean towards people upset that IO players can get more points then they can playing VBF2. All I have to say is, play for fun in whatever style of play you like. If you don't like IO, you never need to click on that box labeled "No Vehicle".

          It's that simple. Play for fun, not for stats. Enjoy yourself.

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          • WolfAlmighty
            Artillery Magnet
            • Jan 2007
            • 2113

            #6
            Re: IO....yet again

            Originally posted by Holle
            If your only playing it on those two maps then your missing a lot fun. Sharqi, Oman, Dalian and Mush are very good IO maps.
            Actually I don't play IO at all. I was just going by the people who post here who do play IO and their experiences which all seem to take place on either Karkand or Jalalabad, and also by Game-monitor's server IO server list

            Originally posted by Holle
            The only agurments I've seen seem to lean towards people upset that IO players can get more points then they can playing VBF2. All I have to say is, play for fun in whatever style of play you like. If you don't like IO, you never need to click on that box labeled "No Vehicle".

            It's that simple. Play for fun, not for stats. Enjoy yourself.
            Well just speaking personally the fact that IO is ranked means nothing to me, really. I wouldn't care if they gave 50 points per revive and 100 points per grenade kill on IO if they had only fixed the rest of the regular game and maps along with it. That's really my only beef with IO. Others may care about the points or KDRs people get from it compared to those who play vehicle servers by I for one do not. It just saddens me every time I see an F35 chasing down a J-10 on Wake or Dalian that it shall never be given a chance to compete with its Chinese counterpart. It makes me weep whenever I see my SRAW go through that FAV that's heading straight for me. In short, it's just disappointing for them to have taken the time to do an IO mode instead of using that time to fix the game instead.

            But like I said before, 'oh well'. :hmm:

            ~Wolfgang

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            • sknight

              #7
              Re: IO....yet again

              There is already an IO suggestion thread going submitted by Paas.

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              • Holle

                #8
                Re: IO....yet again

                Originally posted by Wolfgang Abenteuer
                Actually I don't play IO at all. I was just going by the people who post here who do play IO and their experiences which all seem to take place on either Karkand or Jalalabad, and also by Game-monitor's server IO server list



                Well just speaking personally the fact that IO is ranked means nothing to me, really. I wouldn't care if they gave 50 points per revive and 100 points per grenade kill on IO if they had only fixed the rest of the regular game and maps along with it. That's really my only beef with IO. Others may care about the points or KDRs people get from it compared to those who play vehicle servers by I for one do not. It just saddens me every time I see an F35 chasing down a J-10 on Wake or Dalian that it shall never be given a chance to compete with its Chinese counterpart. It makes me weep whenever I see my SRAW go through that FAV that's heading straight for me. In short, it's just disappointing for them to have taken the time to do an IO mode instead of using that time to fix the game instead.

                But like I said before, 'oh well'. :hmm:

                ~Wolfgang
                Our server runs all the maps I just mention plus the two you did. Thanks to BF2CC and it's problems with 1.4 it's been down for a week. new beta version of Bf2CC and now it's backup.

                I would rather have a fixed game to...but I sorry to say I don't think it will ever happen. I so enjoy sneaking up behind someone and knifing them 4 or 5 times only for it to do nothing.

                I can't say I disagree with you at all. I hope you didn't take anything I said in a negative light. Just tired of seeing people getting bashed because they like a diffrent stlye of play.

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                • Doctor

                  #9
                  Re: IO....yet again

                  god just shut the hell up

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                  • imported_Boring.Bobby

                    #10
                    Re: IO....yet again

                    My only problem with IO is when I'm not allowed to die! Sometimes I'll get revived with a crap kit, can't find my original so I'm stuck, so I go into Rambo attack mode just so I can die and respawn, and people keep reviving me! ARGGH! Or the same applies when I freaking run out of ammo. I JUST WANT TO DIE PEOPLE, stop reviving me! lol

                    Other than that I think IO mode is pretty fun, especially on the new map.

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                    • WolfAlmighty
                      Artillery Magnet
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 2113

                      #11
                      Re: IO....yet again

                      Originally posted by Holle
                      I can't say I disagree with you at all. I hope you didn't take anything I said in a negative light. Just tired of seeing people getting bashed because they like a diffrent stlye of play.
                      Not at all. People who say they like IO because it's fun don't bother me. People who say things like 'It's too bad all the skill-less jet n00bs and tank whores aren't gonna play the real man's game' merit my more terse responses. (And to a lesser degree those who admit they play for points instead of having fun or winning and like IO because of how many points they can get.)

                      And yes, you're right about it being sad that they'll never fix the true issues in the game. But I can still lament, can't I?

                      ~Wolfgang

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                      • CATIA

                        #12
                        Re: IO....yet again

                        Originally posted by CrazyPete77

                        2) Should IO be removed from the game?
                        I don’t think IO mode should be removed. I think the timing was wrong to release it. CTF was very popular back in BF1942/DC days, when BF2 came out and CTF wasn’t included, a lot of people were asking why not, and wanted to included it in the next patch. Obviously they (EA/DICE) didn’t, it took a MOD (DCon) to create a CTF mod.

                        I’m not a big fan of neither. However I think if they released CTF say in patch 1.0 and released IO in 1.4 the community would accept the IO more.

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                        • VC_Resurrected

                          #13
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                          Originally posted by CensoredByGod
                          The better question to ask is....

                          Why give a fcuk?
                          Hahaha, that made me chuckle. Its true though...

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                          • Pants224

                            #14
                            Re: IO....yet again

                            1. no
                            2. no

                            If you dont like it, dont play it and quit worrying about the people that do.

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                            • Combat-Quokka

                              #15
                              Re: IO....yet again

                              Originally posted by CensoredByGod
                              The better question to ask is....

                              Why give a fcuk?
                              I hear you brother.

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