Tip for being a gunner in the Heli

[Venomous]

Re: Tip for being a gunner in the Heli

My rule when you're in my chopper is to look where I'm looking unless I say otherwise. However we still have these gunners who don't want the easy kills I'm pointing at I guess. I swear, the epitomy of the dumbest gunner I've had went a little like this. Dalian plant, US has all flags (except uncap of course) and I get the cobra. Gunner gets in we take off, here's where it gets bad. This guy is doing the exact OPPOSITE of everything I need him to do. I point him at armor.....he lays on the machine gun. I point him at a group of 4 guys, he shoots a TV (and misses everything I may add). I mean, what is with people. I can understand Noobs just learning the ropes. We were all there at one time. But it seems to me it's just common sense. Opening up cannon fire on a 100% healthy tank does nothing except make his turret come round and begin to lob shells at me. Seriously. If anyone wants a good time in a chopper, it's ColdCircuitCash on xFire. Lets at least train these people.

CCC

thats when you red line his *** and call him a worthless noob

[|-TC-| NZSAS-Trooper]

Re: Tip for being a gunner in the Heli

Another trick is to get the gunner to look in view looking behond you when you're going back for repairs to spot danger.

[Six.]

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Simple quick fix to get your gun back on center towards the front- right-click to TV missile, and right-click straight back, it takes you straight to the cockpit view, enabling you to see if your gun is facing forwards or not.

If you really are extremely tenacious about the rear of your chopper, have a quick-key assigned to the rear-view key, and perhaps a quick-key back (though, I think right-clicking should do the same, and perhaps quicker).

[kitchener]

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The number ONE thing you can do to be a good gunner is to use voip and be in the same squad as your pilot.

I'll buy that for a dollar! The game's greatest failing these days is the lack of VOIP use, especially in the ACs. I can always detect some surprise when I hop in then switch to the pilot's squad, and tell him I'm "Kitchener, checking in." Pregnant pause. Pause. Pause. About a minute later, he'll respond if he's got a mike. My point is it's gotten to be the norm for most folks to have just set aside their mikes for lack of use. I suppose one of the issues is the wide performance variations -- some guys I can barely hear. But, if the pilot's at least in a squad, I can talk to him -- half the time to remind him to get his nose up so I can get some TVMs off.

But anyway, we're always a more lethal team if we're using VOIP. I can pilot or gun myself, but prefer gunning. I'm getting frustrated lately, though. Often seems all or nothing. Either there's a bunch of us fighting to get the helo, or none of us and I'm forced to solo.

[Six.]

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I'll buy that for a dollar! The game's greatest failing these days is the lack of VOIP use, especially in the ACs. I can always detect some surprise when I hop in then switch to the pilot's squad, and tell him I'm "Kitchener, checking in." Pregnant pause. Pause. Pause. About a minute later, he'll respond if he's got a mike. My point is it's gotten to be the norm for most folks to have just set aside their mikes for lack of use. I suppose one of the issues is the wide performance variations -- some guys I can barely hear. But, if the pilot's at least in a squad, I can talk to him -- half the time to remind him to get his nose up so I can get some TVMs off.

But anyway, we're always a more lethal team if we're using VOIP. I can pilot or gun myself, but prefer gunning. I'm getting frustrated lately, though. Often seems all or nothing. Either there's a bunch of us fighting to get the helo, or none of us and I'm forced to solo.

I love using the VoIP... unfortunately I don't play from home, I play at the net cafe I go to- they got decent stuff, but they use net-limiter and whatever, so- it doesn't help with the connection. most of the time, the equipment's been vandalised by stupid kids who have nothing better to do.

Thats why I'm investing in my own gear... and possibly a bloody decent computer for once :P.

I'm a very good gunner... and a relatively decent pilot. As a pilot, I need the gunner to listen out for me- because if I'm telling my co-pilot I spot something; I'm telling him to switch to his TV missile and eliminate it. As a gunner, I try to avoid spotting non-essential units- such as ground troops, because I should be able to take care of them anyway. if it's armour- I must definately spot, same goes for AA turrets. Enemy helos hold a similar priority.

[ColdCircuitCash]

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Tool makes me wanna kill (in BF2)Anyone reading that wants to go out on xfire and blow some sheit up lemme know. ColdCircuitCash.

Oh yeah...to be on topic....

***HELO GUNNER TIP O' THE DAY***
Don't Miss Infantry!
(Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood CCC)

thats when you red line his *** and call him a worthless noob

:laugh:

Haha....very well played. TopDrawer Mr. Poptart.....

CCC

[Six.]

Re: Tip for being a gunner in the Heli

Tool makes me wanna kill (in BF2)Anyone reading that wants to go out on xfire and blow some sheit up lemme know. ColdCircuitCash.

Oh yeah...to be on topic....

***HELO GUNNER TIP O' THE DAY***
Don't Miss Infantry!
(Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood CCC)

Not missing infantry means knowing your Helo gun though; I love the MEC helo gun, thats for sure- the splash damage is excellent; as opposed to the USMC and PLA helos.

Not missing infantry would also mean you'd have to keep your gun up more often that looking down and around- because if you're caught in the limits of the view of the gun, you'll never hit your intended targets.
Therefore- always make sure you have enough space and time to chase up your targets to finish them off.

[Chodda]

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You know your a good gunner when you can understand the physics of the bullets for each cannon and how to work with their travel...lol I should make a video tutorial shouldn't I?... nah. I never like to tell people how to do things... lifes about learning and discovering new things... figure it out on your own just like what I did :)

[Cromat]

Re: Tip for being a gunner in the Heli

Even a moderate gunner can be excellent when there is a good pilot,and even excellent gunner can be SH!T when pilot is a noob

My tip is:Pilot must fly high,he must know how to dodge(Barrel rolls...etc),and he must line U up for a shot

[ColdCircuitCash]

Re: Tip for being a gunner in the Heli

Even a moderate gunner can be excellent when there is a good pilot,and even excellent gunner can be SH!T when pilot is a noob

My tip is:Pilot must fly high,he must know how to dodge(Barrel rolls...etc),and he must line U up for a shot

Granted Cromat, but even when i'm 300m in the air barrel rolling like Bobby Brown, there's only so much a pilot can do.I love to see a gunner throw a tv at a j-10. That lets me know one of two things. 1. At least he knows the destructive power of the Tv guided missle. 2. He's not afraid to take that shot, even with the odds of hitting it (He/she) is confident.

I also run my gunship in this priority. If my gunner doesn't have a mic (god forbid) and isn't in my squad, after the intial "Get out if you don't have a mic" If the passenger continues to stand his ground, I'll give him a shot. Now when your gunner can't hear you, this is where things get a little bit different. I normally will try and get the targets lined up (12:00) with us and spot it at least two times (in case the gunner didn't hear me the first time) That will usually get his/her attention and give me some driver assists. Secondly, another way to snag your gunner by the pantyhose is to posistion yourself as to where your gunner would not have any other shot except the shot you want him to. IE: if there are infantry...hover slightly over them whereas when he switches to the cannon, he can see nothing but a sea of flesh. Granted this is a tactic that every piot knows, so no new information here. If he's not getting the idea on your "Lined up tv death shots" my technique (which sometimes may backfire if your opponent is paying attention), is to shoot one hellfire at the exact point you want a tv. Pray that the gunner gets the hit and takes out that APC before you get turned into a bad episode of AirWolf.

With all that nonsense being said, in the end gunners, just practice (watch some AirWolf) and practice, practice. Learn what you can hit at what speeds. It's highly unlikely that you're going to hit moving infantry with the cannon if your pilot just did a nose dive and is going full speed in the opposite direction. Those skills come with time. Realise the Less Clicks The Better when concerning the TV guided missle. Initial click to lead the target, another to fine tune on the main mass will work 90% of the time. Also...don't limit yourself with the tv missle if you can't see a target. Since the range reduction over the patches tv missles aren't what they should be (obviously) but try and shoot to a flag or area that you KNOW has some targets, but the fog is just too unbearable. Dalian plant is where I learned to fly/gun when i was starting because of the very low fog. You start to know when you're out of range just by LOOKING at the target.

There's a million scenarios and tactics I could discuss, but you're all tired of reading by now : )


CCC

[Six.]

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Secondly, another way to snag your gunner by the pantyhose is to posistion yourself as to where your gunner would not have any other shot except the shot you want him to. IE: if there are infantry...hover slightly over them whereas when he switches to the cannon, he can see nothing but a sea of flesh. Granted this is a tactic that every piot knows, so no new information here. If he's not getting the idea on your "Lined up tv death shots" my technique (which sometimes may backfire if your opponent is paying attention), is to shoot one hellfire at the exact point you want a tv. Pray that the gunner gets the hit and takes out that APC before you get turned into a bad episode of AirWolf.

Want to hint and let your gunner know that you want them to shoot infantry? fly lower; they won't ever want to hit anything that looks any smaller than an ant on the screen; trying will only get your helo noticed, and spotted and shot at. Plus flying low does help keep you covered from probably 50-80% of the rest of the map with potential threats looking to get rid of the helo.

Since the TV missile camera is always facing 12 O'clock, (looking straight from the nose of the helo)- it is ALWAYS a good idea as a pilot, that you actually spot targets you want him to TV missile; after all- your nose must be pointed to the target anyway, so why not do a favour and make sure your gunner looks out for radio 'spotted' command from you.
In addition to that, never spot non-essential targets- mostly ones that you don't need the TV missile to destroy, that being: infantry, light transports, and anti-air emplacements and AT-launcher emplacements.

Gunners should note: don't spot infantry you can easily kill (except on the occaision you see an infantry about to hop on any AA or even AT emplacement- warn your pilot by spotting), spot any particular threats to the helo; you will primarily be using your 'spotted' radio command to notify your pilot that you want to use your TV missile on that target.

[2nd-Irish]

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I had the best round tonight with two different but awesome pilots. I tell you there is no susbtitute as a gunner for a good pilot. I was playing as Engineer, and earned my veteran badge plus a gold and silver star.

I'm getting to like this helo thing.

[ConscriptVirus]

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Personal experience- Gunning in BF2 is probably the most hardware affected aspect of the game. If you have a PC that sucks, you will east dust.

acutally..if u have a crappy pc or video card that uses 1.4 shaders....ur tv cam screen wont be all ripply (new effect they added in one of the patches) so it mite be easier to use tv cam with a bad pc

[Chodda]

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lol you guys are talking about piloting idiot gunners... lol its never that smart of an idea to get extremely close to the ground... your just making yourself and easier target

oh and i play with everything on low

[.Churr.]

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You should be able to see what you gunner is looking at, with the "gunner view dir" on your HUD.

lol you guys are talking about piloting idiot gunners... lol its never that smart of an idea to get extremely close to the ground... your just making yourself and easier target

oh and i play with everything on low

How did you record those videos on High?

It doesnt really matter as long as its playable, I have some settings on High and some on Low... If I put everything on High it lags a lot.

Negative. As a matter of fact, boating excluded, piloting is the easiest thing to do while having a crappy PC.

Meaning: Jets are very overpowered

Good tip.. go MEC or Sharqi peninsula.. then go tio USMC televison.. many hanging aroudn the top ther.. i got roughly 15 kills.. just by gunnning them, my friend ( user = kenziekenzie1000 ) got pissed with me( we was at a net café, i dont play bf2 at home! =[ ) becuase i kept stealing kills

You should get much more than that per pass if the pilot is decent enough and the USMC are dumb enough