Map Score of 300+ say goodbye to stats

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Well to be honest we have not seen him much since the reset. That is one of the reason I am so foreward on this. He is a good friend and a great person to have as a clan mate.

I would hate it if he decided he could not be arsed with the game anymore after this so thats why im standing up for him on here and trying to get support on his behalf.

Who would not do the same for a friend?

Here, Here
To loyalty and friendship

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Where is the guy in question, can he not defend his own honor??!?

Well to be honest we have not seen him much since the reset. That is one of the reason I am so foreward on this. He is a good friend and a great person to have as a clan mate.

I would hate it if he decided he could not be arsed with the game anymore after this so thats why im standing up for him on here and trying to get support on his behalf.

Who would not do the same for a friend?

One other thing I'll mention which will point out the person in question.

One night on our team speak there were a few of us left. Ice had just left and we decided to go for a round of Special Forces. Anyway we found a server in the server list and joined.

It was a normal game, 32 player server running Warlord. After 5 mins on the server Ice came back into team speak...his words were simple "what the hell are you 3 doing on a PK server"....what the hell. It wasnt until we left the server and looked on tracker that we noticed the actual server was a PK server. The game was played normally but due to the extra long name the "Pistol & Knives only" section of the name was off the end of the text so we could not see it.

He had noticed in tracker the name of the server we were on and came told us.

You seee he is very observant and very against servers like this.

I am usually careful but on this occasion we could not see full name in server list and the game was running normally so we were not aware of it.

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I can’t believe this... they can’t delete acounts like this without notice just because someone got
a score over 300 + in a round. In my stats I have 1 round with the MEC of 654 points and another one of 438 with USA. How I got it? Played Medic in a P&K only server couple times... What??
Yes I am very good with pistols and knife and Defib so what? EA doesnt realise how many P&K servers there is out there do they!! Who here never played in one of them? Those are real Ranked servers and if they are there for me to play in I think I have the right to do so! But I think I played there only a couple times and to be honest I got my expert knife on a normal server... If EA reset my stats I will never buy one of there game ever!! I am a 24 yold working full time and playing couple hours a week and I enjoy the stats system because I can compare with other players and it gives more challenge to the game. If EA ever do that I think there going to ear from us!:evil:

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BF2samchoc (1st Lieutenant)

What not to do when IndianScout is around in the forums...take note people

stop saying 'grow up ' , i would be very anoyed if this happened to me , 1st off i have palyed for this game and i dont expect to have it thrown back in my face .2ndly they have no harc eveidence it was due to stats padding , i have big scores due to the 16 on a 64 servers and that is hardly stats padding i like to paly with no lag , no noobs , no everybody's medic servers .

arent they classed as high points servers?

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stop saying 'grow up ' , i would be very anoyed if this happened to me , 1st off i have palyed for this game and i dont expect to have it thrown back in my face .2ndly they have no harc eveidence it was due to stats padding , i have big scores due to the 16 on a 64 servers and that is hardly stats padding i like to paly with no lag , no noobs , no everybody's medic servers .

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2) a "public" and outward representation of the person

-This seems pretty public in regards to the highest ranked player Volx
"You mean that dolphin diving smacktard?"

Im not a lawyer so if what i just posted makes me look like an idiot.........:p

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No he is very carefull about things like that.

We have thrown someone out of our clan for that before. We have clan rules about using any server which would break the rules.

I am prepared to put myself on the line completely as reference that this guy would not have broken rules like that.

The only times he ever really played was on our server and we have never allowed anything like that :)

Where is the guy in question, can he not defend his own honor??!?

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He must have been caught on a "High Points" server or maybe P & K only...

No he is very carefull about things like that.

We have thrown someone out of our clan for that before. We have clan rules about using any server which would break the rules.

I am prepared to put myself on the line completely as reference that this guy would not have broken rules like that.

The only times he ever really played was on our server and we have never allowed anything like that :)

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See the thing is he was never on any of those types of server, but of course sometimes playing on a almost dead server and having long rounds would get high points. But Ice is not a stat padder or anything like that, he is a great guy who for some inexplicable reason got F'ed over by the system.

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Rancid, Lots of things are right or wrong on principle, but you are advocating a legal action and therefore throw principle out of the window. I know that the libel laws in the UK are different than they are here in the US. The person who feels they have been libeled/slandered in the UK has a much greater chance of getting a settlement due to the broader definitions of the law.

BUT, the online BF2 account is NOT:

1) related to this person's income
2) a "public" and outward representation of the person
3) is not actually owned by the person.

Therefore, having your stats reset does not create any libel situation at all. Impeading your gameing pleasure on a RANKED server is not injury. You are not banned or barred from starting over and you can always play on an un-ranked server. So, your pursuit of happiness has not been revoked or abridged.

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He must have been caught on a "High Points" server or maybe P & K only...

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I can’t believe this... they can’t delete acounts like this without notice just because someone got
a score over 300 + in a round. In my stats I have 1 round with the MEC of 654 points and another one of 438 with USA. How I got it? Played Medic in a P&K only server couple times... What??
Yes I am very good with pistols and knife and Defib so what? EA doesnt realise how many P&K servers there is out there do they!! Who here never played in one of them? Those are real Ranked servers and if they are there for me to play in I think I have the right to do so! But I think I played there only a couple times and to be honest I got my expert knife on a normal server... If EA reset my stats I will never buy one of there game ever!! I am a 24 yold working full time and playing couple hours a week and I enjoy the stats system because I can compare with other players and it gives more challenge to the game. If EA ever do that I think there going to ear from us!:evil:

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BF2samchoc (1st Lieutenant)

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Anti-defamation lawsuits are usually reserved for the arean of employment. As that effects a persons livelyhood. I hardly think that is the same as an in game persona.

You will find it affects all walks of life. If my neighbour walked into my local pub and made lies about me which labeled me a theif and I got banned from that bar I would sue him under Slander for defamation of character.

If my local news paper run a storey which told untruths about me I could sue them under libel. It comes under everything. The larger effect the larger the payout.

So in a case of losing income then it would be higher than being banned form a bar etc :)

Lets say for example someone spends half their life in online games but feels he / she can no longer go there due to being labeled a cheat and not feeling confortable in servers where people thinks they are a cheat then obviously that would not justify much but it still could be dealt with to clear ones name.

It does still come under Libel in that case because the persons character, regarless of life identity or cyber identity. They are both the same. An Identity is an identity.

If I said the name here rancid_elf many of you who are reading this would say yup we know of that identity...why because you have read this post lol.. Some might know me because of being admin on a server or even joining me in a game and being part of team play with me.

If I said the name Mickey Mouse ( which is my real life identity none of you would have ever heard of it. See my point...An identity is an identity.

You can say well its cyber space so just change your identity. Well then why not say if you have been libeled in real life why not just change your name. ok ok I know before I get slammed its slightly different but its the principle I mainly refer to. I have been known under the name rancid_elf for the last 18 years of cyber usage ( BBS's etc before the net became big ).. Why should I change my identity of rancid_elf in cyber space because some company feels in its power to label me as a cheater and mare my name...
Damn it I would want to clear that name.

I guess is sucks to have stats reset for some folks. But to your point about litigation.

Like stated before, you agreed to surrender your "rights" to pursue legal action against EA/DICE for things like getting your stats reset. If you had not agreed, you would not have been able to play online. If you don't read anything before you sign it, (and YES, clicking "I agree" is the legal equivalent of a signature) then it is just tough. That is life.

Libel has to be proven and as part of the proof, the defendant MUST show injury. A screen name in a computer game is annonymous and therefore NOT a public extension of a real person's character. Libel and slander are actions that are done in the public eye that cause material or personal damage and are based upon ficticious or otherwise unproven statements about the person libeled or slandered. A BF2 player account can not and does not fall into the legal parameters of the definition of "who" when proving libel or slander.

Actions similar to what you are proposing will only hurt the game industry in the future. IF these type lawsuits are allowed to go forward, then you will see an increase in the costs of online multiplayer games. Why? Because if the game companies risk being sued, then they must set aside money for legal fees in defending from such suits. They will not reduce their profit margin to cover legal expenses, so they increase the retail price to help offset. This is the case with just about all consumer goods and services that have ever been part of a lawsuit.

I think that anyone hung up enough about having an online game account re-set to file a libel lawsuit is a few sandwiches short of a picknic and should be placed in the blocks and flogged in the town square. Frivalous lawsuits are chocking the court systems and accomplish nothing but raising the consumer costs in order to defend agaist said lawsuits.

Totally absurd.

I think your missing my point...ITS PRINCIPLE. Why should we allow big brother to bully us?

If I hacked you in this cyber space and stole all your email accounts and accounts for online gaming would you just say...o well what the hell. hummm.. I think not.

And go on say well hacking is illegal.. Well is not Libel illegal? Also I think you will find Libel laws in the USA are different to what they are in the UK

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i have over 300 best round score. i admit it... but i did not stats pad. i was with a good squad and in the last moment i appyed for commander and i got 2 x the score.

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I guess is sucks to have stats reset for some folks. But to your point about litigation.

Like stated before, you agreed to surrender your "rights" to pursue legal action against EA/DICE for things like getting your stats reset. If you had not agreed, you would not have been able to play online. If you don't read anything before you sign it, (and YES, clicking "I agree" is the legal equivalent of a signature) then it is just tough. That is life.

Libel has to be proven and as part of the proof, the defendant MUST show injury. A screen name in a computer game is annonymous and therefore NOT a public extension of a real person's character. Libel and slander are actions that are done in the public eye that cause material or personal damage and are based upon ficticious or otherwise unproven statements about the person libeled or slandered. A BF2 player account can not and does not fall into the legal parameters of the definition of "who" when proving libel or slander.

Actions similar to what you are proposing will only hurt the game industry in the future. IF these type lawsuits are allowed to go forward, then you will see an increase in the costs of online multiplayer games. Why? Because if the game companies risk being sued, then they must set aside money for legal fees in defending from such suits. They will not reduce their profit margin to cover legal expenses, so they increase the retail price to help offset. This is the case with just about all consumer goods and services that have ever been part of a lawsuit.

I think that anyone hung up enough about having an online game account re-set to file a libel lawsuit is a few sandwiches short of a picknic and should be placed in the blocks and flogged in the town square. Frivalous lawsuits are chocking the court systems and accomplish nothing but raising the consumer costs in order to defend agaist said lawsuits.

Totally absurd.

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Anti-defamation lawsuits are usually reserved for the arean of employment. As that effects a persons livelyhood. I hardly think that is the same as an in game persona.