UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

[imported_Kold81]

§1.6 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on roles or kits that players can use while on your server. (ROE)

I play alot of kits but when we are losing i tend to play spec ops and take out the scan trailer and UAV in that order. Now i've been kicked from so many servers (even banned from 1 or 2) that its pissed me off. I bought this game to play a semi-realistic squad based war game and getting kicked for doing my kit's "job" really pisses me off.

I agree that a bombing run on an un-cap, time after time gets old for the people waiting on the air power that spawns there, but even still, get in a AA turrent and defend your base.

My problem is that when i go into an enemy base to destroy assets, I'm not just gonna give up fighting once im there. I'll attack anyone I see, I'm not just going to lay down and die, which is what alot of servers-admins want you to do. ********.

Just having an Un-cap base in BF means its supposed to be attacked, why else would it be un-captureable?? I'm just sick of stupid admins that will kick you for going into a base and killing a single person (normally a clan-mate) so i can destroy assets that the game intended me to do!

Now i understand taking a tank into an un-cap pisses people off, thats not what im talking about. I'm talking about getting kicked for doing my kits job and killing the enemy in the process.

§1.6 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on roles or kits that players can use while on your server.

The "no attacking un-cappable bases" rule directly violates the above rule taken from the offical ROE.

[imported_jsr]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

spawn killing has been part of every single first-person shooter I have ever played, going all the way back to quake 1.

Does is suck to get spawn-killed over and over?
Of course, but it's part of the game-type, after all these years, people really need to stop crying about it.



as for the roe... I'm not big on "structured game play", so I vote to flush that whole p.o.s right down the toilet anyways.

[Roger Smith]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

here is my thoughts: http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89348

1.1.2 Though it is not required, we also request that all servers run Friendly Fire at 100% for all settings, including mines (sv.friendlyFireWithMines).

its inexcusable for mine-ff to ever be off in ranked play, infact, this setting shouldnt have ever been created, it only promotes claywhoring!

2.3.2 Allowed “In-House” Ranked Server Rules:
Server Administrators may implement and enforce rules that result in minor changes to gameplay behaviour or styles as long as these are clearly stated before a player starts playing on a server. These rules typically introduce minor restrictions on how a certain aspect of the game can be used.
(d) Making attacks on enemy main bases (flags that cannot be captured), including artillery strikes, vehicle drops to block runways, bombing runs with aircraft or sustained infantry attacks.

this isnt a minor gameplay change, base rape is part of the game, everywhere is the battlefield. now im not talking about spawn camping. im talking about attacking enemy uncaps. how fair is it for one team to have a capturable base that can be raped to all hell and the other team can have a tea party at thier uncapturable? how fair is it for enemy air assets to escape to thier uncap where you cant defend yourself and must let them repair? this isnt a minor gameplay change and dice needs to make a stance on it. dice either needs to:

-remove uncap defences and put a out of bounds area all over and around uncaps that affects only the enemy. that way fruitcakes can continue to have thier teapartys and we will all be clear from server to sever that the esence of battlefield is dead.

OR

-remove this crappy rule possibility and keep bf2 the way it should be. you should be able to attack the enemy anywhere, anytime and anyway!

(e) Using transport helicopters to quickly capture all flags with no attempt to engage the other team (flag hopping).

********, if the enemy doesnt try to attack the helicopter, or defend thier bases, they should lose thier bases.

(f) Using C4 explosives on fast-moving vehicles to destroy other vehicles (C4-ramming)

this rule takes the heart of battlefield, and tears it from its body, car bombing is and should be part of the game.

3.2 Game Exploits
(d) Playing on “High Points” Servers

this is unfair because i might be on a server that emptys out or just isnt full. this isnt a player issue, its an issue in how maps are issued for play. if you dont want a small amount of people to play on a big map, then make it so you need a large amount of players to play a 64 player varient of a map, or better yet, just throw out this pointless rule! i enjoy fighting a small group of enemys and dont understand whats unfair about it, it promotes defence being more important than offence.

none of these rules are acceptable and need revision, unless dice is scared that admins will stop hosting because they cant impose ******** rules on thier players.

[imported_Kold81]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

Yup i agree, spawn killing can suck so spawn somewhere else. What has really pissed me off lately is getting kicked from ranked games for attacking a un-cap from foot. Not to ramble on but...... normally servers want to protect the un-cap because the jets, planes armor etc is there.....and that means points. Its all about points i guess.

[Revoluti0n]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

I don't have a problem with it, as long as it doesn't start right off the bat.

[imported_Kold81]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

Any more thoughts? The gameplay of the franchise does really depend on this forums community, so if there is something that you want to be fixed, share it with the forum please.

It would be a way better topic than "Is the G3 better than the M95"??

[EyeofG]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

spawn killing has been part of every single first-person shooter I have ever played, going all the way back to quake 1.

Does is suck to get spawn-killed over and over?
Of course, but it's part of the game-type, after all these years, people really need to stop crying about it.



as for the roe... I'm not big on "structured game play", so I vote to flush that whole p.o.s right down the toilet anyways.

I have only seen spawncamping in BF2. in UT2004 you know, but mostly on Assuilt mode

[Plugz]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

The way I see it, If you make a game that promotes you according to stats, People will use every exploit known to get as many points as they can to achieve this and say " I am better because I got higher rank". Why not make a delayed health while you spawn so you wont get spawn camped? If the heli is flag jumping , why not have a/a guns at each flag without trees that stop missles, with greater power and less distance to stop this or even stop plane whores from just stat padding. Ea/Dice wont do anything about this as they are more concerned about 2142. Its up to Mods now and has been for a long time.

[imported_[C*]Indest]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

Ill take the G3 thanks =P

I totally agree, one of the reasons why i play this game so i can be the spec ops and sneak into the enemy base and take out their UAV and artillary equipment. This helps my team grab an advantage over the enemy. Its a big part of the game and getting kicked for it would be pretty frustrating.

Just change servers and it should be ok.

[Roger Smith]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

I have only seen spawncamping in BF2. in UT2004 you know, but mostly on Assuilt mode

really, how many team based fps have you played then?

[quote=Plugz]Why not make a delayed health while you spawn so you wont get spawn camped?quote]i wouldnt be opposed to a second of invunerability, actually i think the key problem here is a lack of information.

If the heli is flag jumping , why not have a/a guns at each flag without trees that stop missles, with greater power and less distance to stop this or even stop plane whores from just stat padding.

flag hopping isnt a problem, people just dont look/shoot up. the problem is with jets, aa needs a huge range boost, and it needs to work. this would keep jets up high and helis flying low and using cover.

[imported_Kold81]

Re: UCB's and the ROE...your thoughts please

Thx Indest, the problem is I find these rules are in more and more servers. In itself its not a big deal but think of the consequences.... I guess we will wait and see but the FPS shooter community seems to be going downhill........

As an old school BFv and 1942 player i can see a definate change in gameplay and player attitude......looks like graphics have to trump the human element of gameplay or we are screwed......