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[Kodakk]

Helicopter:
Flares all exit the aircraft, I believe 6 or 8 simultaneously. They spread all around the aircraft, and thus the ones in the front hardly do anythin for the OPFOR behind u (normally) But it seems, in helos when I flare, I don't get hit by missiles unless I'm still sitting still or the OPFOR is going extremely slow (or on a stinger) and wait for the right time to fire.

Jets:
Flares exit one by one out near the back of the jet. These tend not to work for me, and I have an idea as to why (even with some simple evasive maneuvers) that these might not work too well. Knowing EA, and doing some coding myself, I have an idea for why you still get hit with missiles (and it's not just the fact that some can curve like a mother)


In a situation in a helo, the flares all fall back far from the helo. Thus, the missiles follow the flares and not you and are directed AWAY from the helo.

In a plane, they are produced in a line that follows your plane, thus unless you are banking extremely hard or doing some other evasive manuever that scatters your flares, the missile will be told (by code) to follow the flares right into the back of your plane. I have hit countless people in jets while they are flaring, and missed quite a bit when they are just turning regularly.

So, by code the missiles follow the new flares. This is my theory as why it's harder to hit a helo with missiles when it flares, and why it may be easier at times to be hit (along with strange hitboxes) with a missile while in a plane.

[Agent_Scarlet]

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Yep figured that out a while ago...Thats why I have a little scheme for releasing flares and getting away :)

[Chris_Redfield]

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Missiles go for flares, and the next best thing (usually), thats why, if you flare in single, correct line, missiles go through the line into your exhaust pipe. Its important that you create as much space between you and the flares when you flare, thats basiclaly the point of flares anyway.

[Flanker]

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Could very well be the case, I don't see why not. They aren't propelled away from the plane, correct? So unless you release them right before the missile hits (as your should these days), then you will get hit since it will give the missile time to re-lock.

[Revoluti0n]

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Missiles go for flares, and the next best thing (usually), thats why, if you flare in single, correct line, missiles go through the line into your exhaust pipe. Its important that you create as much space between you and the flares when you flare, thats basiclaly the point of flares anyway.

I don't really fly all that much but I tried that the other day on Oman as I was being chased by the Mig. It worked really well.

[Chris_Redfield]

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I don't really fly all that much but I tried that the other day on Oman as I was being chased by the Mig. It worked really well.

You mean you flare "out" or flare "behind"? That is, if you create a "shield" behind you, you will most probably get hit. If you flare so that you create distance between you and flares, you will most probably not get hit.

Ive checked the missile files of patch 1.3 and I have a comparision with 1.0 in the form of Demo. Im working on both flares and missiles right now, but due to some odd sh!t mess I did with some files my Battlerecorder isnt functioning properly, so I cant experiment it.

Missiles have a relock time ("tick" time, the expression Wargimp uses) of 30 (I believe its milliseconds), in the Demo its 60. The most interesting thing is "lock angle" which is now reduced by half. That its, 45 degrees. So the missile will most probably NOT locate you if you flare "out". Heres the trick now. Since missiles relock and thus remaneuver faster, but have more limited vision you have to exploit their blindness and thus adjust your flaring method.

Simple illustration. Note, this is theory. I need someone with patch 1.2 to help me to prove it.



If Im correct, then there is a foolproof flare method for jets and choppers alike.

[Revoluti0n]

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I was flying by the crane going from North to South. As soon as I passed the crane just past the train tracks , I hit the flares and I banked a hard left, leveled out then a hard verticle climbd with the afterburners. This put the jet into a vertical position. The end result was the flares kept travelling South ward and I was headed left a straight up at an Eastward angle(towards Hotel) approximately 70 degrees.
The mistake I made prior 99% of the time was flaring "behind" as you described and I would get tagged EVERY time.

[Desertfox]

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I usually drop flares, and do a hard turn left/right

[Flanker]

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I usually drop flares, and do a hard turn left/right

What these guys are saying is that you should do a hard turn left/right and THEN drop flares, so they travel away from you. Otherwise, if I'm reading this correctly, the missile will simply re-lock onto you. It would explain a lot from my experiences in flying.

[Desertfox]

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Well when I say drop flares, and do a hard turn left/right its usually X and then IMMEDIANTLY after that I turn so pretty much they do travel away from me

[Chris_Redfield]

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I was flying by the crane going from North to South. As soon as I passed the crane just past the train tracks , I hit the flares and I banked a hard left, leveled out then a hard verticle climbd with the afterburners. This put the jet into a vertical position. The end result was the flares kept travelling South ward and I was headed left a straight up at an Eastward angle(towards Hotel) approximately 70 degrees.
The mistake I made prior 99% of the time was flaring "behind" as you described and I would get tagged EVERY time.

Yup, thats exactly what I meant. You can also "reuse" the flares by banking right behind the flares again, reusing them as a curtain this time to escape the lock. If you know what I mean.


My funniest experience with flares was when I dived down from 800 at the speed f about 2500. When you hit a certain altitude your spoeed drops significantly. So somewhere there I had to flare, and I was amazed at the sight of flares storming past me! LOL, man that was another one of those WTF moments. Flares simply outspeeded me.

[Revoluti0n]

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Yup, thats exactly what I meant. You can also "reuse" the flares by banking right behind the flares again, reusing them as a curtain this time to escape the lock. If you know what I mean.

I get what you mean, however, a question...
1- What would the minimum altitude be for the reusing? I know they tend to burn out quickly from what I've seen.
If I'm picturing that correctly, you would have to release the flares while traveling in a 15-30 degree upward angle, then bank hard left (or right), pull up then left again?

[Chris_Redfield]

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1- What would the minimum altitude be for the reusing? I know they tend to burn out quickly from what I've seen.

Theres no minimum altitude. Reason for this is simple. You can do it at any angle, any altitude, any speed, provided that you use the REAR VIEW (rear chase view?), basically you look behind yourself. This way you can accurately position yourself behind the flares. and you would be surprised how long they actually last. I dived down from 800, somewhere at 2500 KPH I released the flares, I think it was at 500. Flares rushed past me at 300 and sunk into the water. They last quite a while, the reason you may think so is because you probably just lost them somewhere LOL .

If I'm picturing that correctly, you would have to release the flares while traveling in a 15-30 degree upward angle, then bank hard left (or right), pull up then left again?

Flares will travel upwards quite a while but they still are affected by gravity.

You bank right, release the flares and bank left and make a circle around the flares moving forward. To understand the concept, this is a picture. Its fairly popular method, used by most good pilots who practice rear chase view a lot. This is a great method against STA sites.



Pictorial example.

[Blades]

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Posted this so many times: Turn into the missles and hit x. Missles = mislead. Flares are perfect.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Posted this so many times: Turn into the missles and hit x. Missles = mislead. Flares are perfect.

Common misconception is that people think that flares are "fvcked up", but DICE did not change flares. As a matter of fact I dont know if you can change them much. Id like to experiment myself, with making flares so that missiles explode on impact with them. Would be quite cool