The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

[Dangerdog]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

Another squashed MOD, although not a direct result of EA/Dice was the Star Wars MOD. Soon after the announcement of the Beta 2 release of this MOD, the announcement of Lucas Arts Star Wars Battlefront came, using the BFV Engine this game was seen as the only hope for a space based war simulator. The strategy worked because the Star Wars MOD only released a few more Betas and was never heard from again.

wrong

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swbattlefront/faq.html

Is Star Wars Battlefront using the same engine from an existing game?
No, the engine for Star Wars Battlefront is a brand new engine developed by Pandemic Studios.

Regardless, BF2142 isn't going to be anything like Battlefront, no pew! pew! laser guns. There will be an awesome Star Wars mod called First Strike that's expected to release on it though.

I kind of liked the other guy who posted a picture of his Battlefield 2 CD's broke in half, more to the point and somewhat permanent.

anyways, later old man.

[Radar-C}{G-]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

wrong...

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swbattlefront/faq.html...

...anyways, later old man.

That isn't what they were touting a year and half ago when it first released.

And who are you calling old man? :laugh:

Thanks for the correction.

[CDN-SMOKEJUMPER]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

Fantasic post!

For myself, I'll proably end up getting the new game just because but I have a feeling I'll still play a lot of BF2. The fact is I want to be a soldier and well as much as the game looks cool it's not got stuff I can look at in books and know people really fight with these.

EA should fix their product though and honestly, I hope Forgotten Hope kills 2142 in a bad way.

[imported_Rafterman]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

Boy Mr. 2 Post, you sure wasted a lot of time and effort just to say "EA Sux"

[grinchster]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

you sure have a lot of time on your hands dude hahaha.... despite the verbose drawn out implications, nice spiel...

[AJED (G.Drew)]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

Fortgotten Hope lives on inside the wreckage of BF1942 and will do so inside the hulk of bf2. FH kicks ***!
i bet EA is pissed that a couple of guys could actually make a mod/game better than them
as for 2142, the future is so, SO unclear, and all we can do is wait.....

[MrChris_CJ]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

bf1942 and dc were brilliant tbh i loved them, spitfires and mustangs ftw

i also enjoyed vietnam - altho it had some issues and bugs i still thought it was a lot of fun, the chinook + other vehicles, napalm etc i thought it was really cool

but i have thought about it and comparing the enjoyment of the previous games compared to bf2, it cant compare vietnam and 1942 were way more fun imo
probably cos they werent full of rank whoring smacktards but meh, its sad but there is always going to be more games coming out and one of them has to be good

no way am i getting 2142 mwhahahahahahahahhaha

ETQW for moi im hoping that will be as enjoyfukl and have the little qwerks i like

[AJED (G.Drew)]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

wrong

http://www.lucasarts.com/games/swbattlefront/faq.html

Regardless, BF2142 isn't going to be anything like Battlefront, no pew! pew! laser guns. There will be an awesome Star Wars mod called First Strike that's expected to release on it though.

I kind of liked the other guy who posted a picture of his Battlefield 2 CD's broke in half, more to the point and somewhat permanent.

anyways, later old man.

btw on the subject of broken discs, who many of u guys have bought copies to replace ur existing 1 cos its craked in the middle or broken in half?

not only has EA f**ked up bf2, the discs and the cases are flawed!
1) the discs
if u look at ur bf2/SF disc u will c that the inner ring is entirely plastic, and if u look at any others, there completely different!
the discs were built for mass production and not for lasting
(btw i think its a ploy to make us buy more discs so they get more money!)
2) the case
now if it isnt the discs that are the prob, its the case
do u c any game that has THAT TYPE of holder for a disc! (apart from Sf)
no, neither have i
because of that mechanism it is puting stress on the disc, causing it to crack (and if still plays after cracking thro the inner part) ends up breaking the disc in half!
gee, thanks alot EA, u money whoring smacktards!

[The _Hoy]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

I think EA are going the wrong way with 2142. One of the things that attracted me to 42, BFV and BF2 (as well as Joint Opps and Viet Cong earlier) was the war simulater \ reality aspect of the game.

I can shoot zombies with lasers all day long in Half Life, Doom or Far Cry. I want a war sim, not Mechwarrior.

I wont be buying BF2142, not because of BF2's problems but because the scenario blows, in my humble opinion

[Consultant01]

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6 pages, 3027 words and all it really says is "BF42 was awesome, there were some cool mods along the way, and BF2 is in the crapper".

See how easy that was?

[Retuner]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

6 pages, 3027 words and all it really says is "BF42 was awesome, there were some cool mods along the way, and BF2 is in the crapper".

See how easy that was?

omg I had the feeling somebody like you would come up

[ptegan]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

Good history lesson up until the point when things were just wrong.

EA BF2 1.4 Beta 1 patch did not fix any bugs, at all. As a matter of fact more bugs became more prevalent. The game actually got worse as a result and the community was no longer disappointed they were pissed..

1.4beta1 fixed all the server bugs introduced by 1.3

Read the forums. Most of the beta testers are happy with the patch as it is.

[ODA]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

All the original poster has proven to me is that he knows nothing about general software development. While I agree, to an extent, with a majority of his points, he still fails to understand the standard software development lifecycle. With any commercial software, a majority of the releases are generally roadmapped anywhere from 6 to 12 months in advance of the actual release...hence the reason I suspect for "new features the community didn't ask for." As for bug fixes, the only bug I can't understand EA/DICE not fixing quickly is the crashing introduced by 1.3. All others to me are a moot point. People will continue to exploit the game to their advantage. This has been true of any game I have ever played. Try playing CS:S. Same stink, different day. I'm willing to bet more people cry about exploits, hacks, bugs, etc than the people that cry about BF2. Steam was the biggest piece of crap for the longest time when it first came out, but now it actually runs quite smoothly. I see no reason for BF2 to be any different. For the record, I love BF2 and will be first in line to buy BF2142. And while many of you feel like these forums represent the majority view, I would venture that you are quite wrong. In fact, I'd guess probably more than half of the BF2 players worldwide never even read these forums and are probably quite content playing BF2 the way it is.

Besides, EA made the move to let YOU test 1.4, so get off your lazy butt and do it. It seems to me at least they are moving in the right direction and listening to some of your feedback.

[Consultant01]

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omg I had the feeling somebody like you would come up

I have groupies, awesome.

My point is, the OP gave a totally unnecessary history lesson of the BF Franchise, then posted some un-truths about the upcomming patch and bug fixed and served up a big steaming cup of doom & gloom.

People, EA is not asleep at the wheel, they've been developing and producing software since before most of the posters on this board were in middle-school so forgive me if I dont take the general whiny ramblings of a few squeaky wheels seriously...

The game is not in jeopardy simply because a few people think it is... this isnt Wikipedia, you cant toss crap against the wall and get some people to agree with you, and claim it as a fact...

I think EA are going the wrong way with 2142. One of the things that attracted me to 42, BFV and BF2 (as well as Joint Opps and Viet Cong earlier) was the war simulater \ reality aspect of the game.

I can shoot zombies with lasers all day long in Half Life, Doom or Far Cry. I want a war sim, not Mechwarrior.

I wont be buying BF2142, not because of BF2's problems but because the scenario blows, in my humble opinion

And for this lunacy...

BF2142 has no laser guns and no zombies and no monsters in general...

It's a war simulator set in the near future...and besides, dont buy it if you dont like it, nobody will give a crap. I promise.

That's another thing that irritates me about forums... People think we care what they will and wont buy or how they feel about things. We dont, and while EA's politically correct public relations machine would like you to think they care what you think, your $50 contribution to their bottomline is so insignificant I wont even provide an analogy for it.

[LahLahSr]

Re: The Death of a Legacy - Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 2142

An excellent post, capturing the history of the BF franchise and how the design-philosophies behind it went from "let's make something new and awesome" to "let's find the lowest common denominator to optimize sales".

If I were to add something to the history, I think it's important to mention that BF1942 raised the bar. There had never been a serious attempt before (and perhaps not since..lol) to create a true combined-arms game that incorporated land, air & sea in a somewhat balanced fashion. Only Desert Combat ever managed to achieve balance.

Since then there has been no alternative to the BF franchise. 1942 hooked us all and since then every other developer has failed in the most pathetic way possible:

JoWood's "Soldner: Secret Wars": Promised spectacular innovations such as mega-maps and destrutible environments - failed miserably to deliver anything playable.
Novalogic's "Joint Operations": Promised some impressive new ideas such as foliage system, a usable sniper-role, huge maps - failed to find any balance and was abandoned by the player community without making a dent in BF market shares
America's Army: promising and delivering what was promised - but suffered from being too "dry". Appeals mostly to "purists" and "simluator fans". Doesn't deliver the entertainment value and is no threat to BF.

The bottom line: BF1942 and prominent mods, foremost among which are Desert Combat, EOD and Galactic Conquest created and grew a combined-arms player-community. The mods in particular, raised the bar for what could be done and for what the player-community expects out of a game like this.

Since BF1942, DC, EOD and GC there has been no real alternative in the genre. BF2 is overrun with "newcomers" who, for a large part, isn't even aware of the origins that are the precursor to BF2 - and they have a lot less expectations. Stats/ranks/unlocks and medals have attracted the type of players who like MMORPGS where you can "level up".

This has diluted the core of what made BF1942 and the mods mentioned above, the quality-games that they were. BF2 is rushed, sloppy, full of errors, unbalanced and appeals to the Jerry Springer crowd of the military FPS genre. It's called "lowest common denominator".

But it is a great market-success. Money is made, hand over fist, because of it and of course the philosophy behind BF2142 is going to be just like it. We live in a new era now - where people think that McDonalds is food and where "popular" = "quality". It's quantity over quality.

The BF franchise has gone from new and innovative to mainstream. It's a business - I don't blame them and I would have done the same if I were the CEO.

However, it should not go unnoticed by those of us with a sense of history.

Cheers :-)