Server Option to include a Minimum Rank to join

[imported_Killa4live]

Re: Server Option to include a Minimum Rank to join

People who behave noobish, strangely often have high ranks. Secondly, i wouldnt want to be on a server of people only after points in a game, and making this so called "military simulation" to a Quake 4 lookalike.

[RocketPunch]

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Rank had nothing to do with skill, period. It is only an indication of how long you've play this game and how much Tk'ing for jet, spawn camp and base raping you have done.

Attitude > Skill > Rank

[-=[R]=-SilentNite]

Re: Server Option to include a Minimum Rank to join

Just want to know people's thoughts about having an option on servers where you can choose the minimum rank of people who can join it. I think it would be more challenging, fun and even fairer to the noobies if you could play against people of similar rank. Eg. 2nd LT and above etc...

Personally feel this is a dumb idea.

Rank means nothing towards player skill or player conduct.

The higher the rank simply means that they have more than likely put more hours in than someone with a lower rank.

[blue_piglet]

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I don't want to see some HIGH RANK OFFICERS ONLY k/P PADDING PARTY.
So no, don't like the idea.

[imported_bigpappa]

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Let me guess, you're a 2nd lt or higher? i think it would be quite cool, but lets lower the bar to... i dont know... say Sgt Major...

how about 1st sargent and lower, that would be better.

[GreenTree]

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The game is probably most fun for everyone when things are relatively even... playing with people ABOUT your same skill level (some better, to learn from, and some a bit worse whom you can "learn em"), teams balanced (no fun being on a team of idiots), everybody communicating the same way (i.e. if one side has teamspeak for all 10 guys, the other side stuck with a few on VOIP in different squads & several with no com will be frustrated), etc.

(Of course, the game is most fun for ME when I'm the most skilled player with the lowest ping & best machine playing with communicating, mature, skilled teammates against a bunch of unskilled & inexperienced but persistent zombies... but that combination requires a lot of guys to hang around & be cannon fodder for a long time, who probably aren't getting very much out of the game!)

HOWEVER... finding a way to create & maintain even teams with balanced & similar levels of experience & skill on a public server is pretty tough. You might try to say "this server for players with between 200 and 20,000 points, BUT anybody can make a new account, and use his 100,000 points worth of skill as a PFC on your 200-20,000 server. And as has been pointed out, high rank may reflect skill & experience, or stat padding, while low rank may indicate unskilled & inexperienced, or not.

Nice idea, but probably unworkable without a LOT more control than public server admins can exercise. A clan vs clan battle on an unranked server probably comes a lot closer to having that sort of balance, since there can be controls keeping "Mr Total 1di0t" off my team.

[sassback]

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me, im a pubber i go from server to server like a hooker goes from john to john. frankly id be somewhat pissed if the servers i frequently haunt a required rank. me being a gunney and all and a pretty crappy one at that.

[disfigured]

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It's a great idea, and I've seen it work.

In the old days of sim racing there was a place called TEN (Total Entertainment Network). I did a google but what exists today is nothing like what this was back in the day. It was a pay sight.

Each "incident" you were in (contact with wall, car, or infeild), laps competed, qualifing starting position, and places of finish were all recorded. All these factors and some others were cruched and you had a particular skill level assinged to you via a number. People hosting races could limit the joiners on both ends incrementally. 50 and up, or 100 and below, for example. So if you were a fairly good driver, but didn't want some "uber" expereinced drivers in your race, you could limit points on the high end, rather then the low end. Or if you just wanted a middle of the pack type of field with no new drivers you could have between 30-80 as the restriction.

It worked because races, hosting races, and the players themselves were all strictly and rigidly monitored. "X" ammount of contact in any race was an instant boot. Stay clean, and your points go up. Be a **** and your points drop too low and your out of the system, no money refunded.

It wouldn't work with BF2 because the rank/point system has never been strictly inforced. Even it was strictly inforced the BFROE contains far too much leeway for individual server owners, making servers far too inconsistant.

Some one's rank could reflect any number of things, the worse being a stat padder, who can attain a fairly high rank in a matter of weeks.

It is an excellent idea, but relies completly on a point system that is an accurate reflextion of the players ablility and expereince. Sadly BF2 lacks any system like that.

[kenof2142]

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again though, you equate rank with skill, big mistake

Ding ding ding ding!

NTM you add the fact that you're not including all of the community and the bfroe people would have something to say about that

[IVfluids]

Re: Server Option to include a Minimum Rank to join

Just want to know people's thoughts about having an option on servers where you can choose the minimum rank of people who can join it. I think it would be more challenging, fun and even fairer to the noobies if you could play against people of similar rank. Eg. 2nd LT and above etc...

crap. for one, rank does not imply skill. i wont get into the rest.

[disfigured]

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It could be neat server mod, that's worth a try.

Not that I have any faith in the BF2 ranking system, and if the BFROE didn't adopt it, but it was allowed in unranked servers, I'd try a server or two.

It would eliminated the truely new player, which I tolerate now, but it would be nice not to get in a jeep with someone while they attempt to remap keys or look down at their keyboard.

If the majority of players do try and play battlefeild honestly with no statpadding or selective server joining, it might make for a better crowd of players, in general.

There is one drawback though, whether or not it would be adopted for ranked servers or used as a server option in unranked servers.

The frenzy to get point is bad enough as it is now, with unlocks as the proverbial carrot on a string. I can't imagine how much TK'ing for planes, stat-padding, and other tomfoolery would be going on if in addition to E-Penis and unlocks, you added access to "exclusive" rank restricted servers. It's just another thing that impatient and immature players would want to do "now", and would find anyway to do so, by any means.

[MasterAlex]

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or you could have an "all noob server"

[disfigured]

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or you could have an "all noob server"

I wonder if something can be designed to restrict joining by any one of a number of statistics?

Time spent as an Aviator? Chopper pilot?

Hmmm.......

Personally I don't filter for ranked or unranked servers. Makes no difference to me. The one time it did matter when I went for my pistol badge (legitimately), I didn't even check to see if the server was ranked. Thank god it was, not that it was too impossible to acheive, but it was frustrating.

Just what is known about a player as he attempts to join a server?

His PID and CDkey?

[Combat-Quokka]

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1. The "noob" servers would get 5 clan guys on it just to rape the hell out of them. Good for the team the 5 guys are on, bad for the other team. The 5 clan guys get a lot of points because they are going up against mostly new players (which doesn't mean they're bad - but perhaps inexperienced)

How is that different than now? The only thing that having ranked servers limiting lower ranks would do, is provide a place for higher-ranked players, so they wouldn't normally be doing those things.

Think about it. Having high-ranked servers is only going to provide more places to play where they (noobs) aren't going to get targetted specifically by high-ranked/clan players.

I think it's a good idea. It would probably allow a little bit of a safe-haven for more noob players, because most good players would prefer to play with people of a higher rank, as it is more challenging. I don't think you need to be too restrictive. Just something like about 5000-10000 points (whatever that rank is). Hell, you can get that score in a week if you really want to.

It'll just mean that you're unlikely to run into a complete noob continually flying the chopper into a crane, and that's going to be reason enough for high-ranked players to go there. Most good high-ranked players would jump at the opportunity to not have to deal with that kind of situation. And for the rest? More places where they're not subjected to complete pwnage.

[MasterAlex]

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ya, I think that these are all bad ideas because it restricts people. They should be able to go into whatever server they want to unless bannned or somethign.
if they are a noob and want to play the top ranks by all means go ahead.