DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

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  • $kelet0r

    #1

    DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

    Caveat - this is not a demand for BF2 now, merely a lament as to what should have been and a request for future Battlefield games

    To my mind, it's another case of something that should have been in BF2 out of the box - that all combat vehicles require 2 players to use at 100% effectiveness. It seemed like a natural evolution to me.
    BF1942 - all singleplayer vehicles but tanks were not very effective
    BFV - helicopters and APCs require 2 players to use them :)
    BF2 - some vehicles do, some don't :)

    It doesnt make sense to me that a game that promoted teamwork so much would have ignored vehicles to such a huge extent. Attack helicopters (solo tv missile operation is an exploit and should not be in the game - you leave the pilots seat? The vehicle comes to a stop like any other), transport technicals, buggies, ribs, transport choppers all applied this system.
    Armour and jets did not

    APCs and Tanks could have had a driver with control over smoke and an electronic HUD identifying enemy vehicles much like the jets have now, and a gunner with control over the main 20mm gun and the TOWs engaging targets that the pilot identified

    Jets should either have all been bombers and removed all ground attack weapons except for the 20mm cannon in favour of the gunner
    OR
    have had an A10 in bomber config with low cannon ammo with a buddy fighter escort F18 or F35b with 8 AAMs and high cannon ammo.

    In the spirit of improving the game if other things are still being improved, this area can and should be improved. It appeals to every aspect of what DICE's stated aims for the game are.
    It enforces teamwork - you can still go solo in these vehicles but you'll quickly regret not taking a gunner.
    It requires skill - getting into a rhythm with a vehicle partner is not easy and very very rewarding, you only have to look at how amazing the team aspect of the AH and the bomber is when a team of 2 uses it to its potential
    It brings balance - Armour and jets would be properly balanced then. Why is a combat vehicle so hard to kill? Because it has 2 players working together inside it - you kill it, you get 2 kills. The hard work bringing down a combat vehicle is then justified by the reward.
    Simple. Effective. True to BF2.

    In fact the only negatives that will come up are complaints of people who do not want to operate as a team. Too bad - you are only as good as your team in a team game - you get a good gunner as a pilot and you are rewarded for it in points and personal satisfaction. You get a newcomer? You teach him to be a better player - that is why BF2 is a team tactical game and not a deathmatch arena. That is what makes it the best.

    Discuss.
  • Ritek

    #2
    Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

    I think they wanted to keep the battlefield francises stand on "being able to just hop into a tank and blast everything" style of gameplay.

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    • =IMO=THJones

      #3
      Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

      i think they didnt think dontcha think?

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      • .Churr.
        Member
        • Nov 2005
        • 1166

        #4
        Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

        Oh no, this ***** AGAIN?

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        • Black_05_TL_6sd

          #5
          Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

          Originally posted by Churrasco
          Oh no, this ***** AGAIN?
          Not suprised to hear that coming from a solo chopper whore!!

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          • .Churr.
            Member
            • Nov 2005
            • 1166

            #6
            Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

            Originally posted by Black_05_TL_6sd
            Not suprised to hear that coming from a solo chopper whore!!
            How did you get this idea? Although I favor soloing, I don't do it often. I prefer to play with some mates and sure that's more fun.

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            • Scinto
              Retired TGN *****
              • Mar 2006
              • 5387

              #7
              Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

              Originally posted by $kelet0r
              APCs and Tanks could have had a driver with control over smoke and an electronic HUD identifying enemy vehicles much like the jets have now, and a gunner with control over the main 20mm gun and the TOWs engaging targets that the pilot identified
              that would be so nice, except trying to find a trusting player not to run off with your tank/apc when your repairing it.. like most people do and its bloody annoying

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              • $kelet0r

                #8
                Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                Originally posted by Churrasco
                Oh no, this ***** AGAIN?

                this is a topic that NEVER comes up - don't know what you've been reading

                Originally posted by Ritek
                I think they wanted to keep the battlefield francises stand on "being able to just hop into a tank and blast everything" style of gameplay.
                A fair point and a good answer - the only problem is why then would they do it for some vehicles and not for others. Why would they have 2 player APCs in Vietnam (which was awesome and worked really well BTW) and not in BF2. Why have 2 player helicopters which is by far the most enjoyable part of the game imo and not have 2 player tanks? The logic just isn't there - there is no consistency. You either have all vehicles solo operated or all team operated. Besides you would still be able to hop into a tank and blast everything as well - you just wouldn't be able to drive and shoot/reload a 120mm gun at the same time.

                Originally posted by =IMO=THJones
                i think they didnt think dontcha think?
                I hate to agree

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                • Doctor

                  #9
                  Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                  Ive always thought tanks and apc's should require a driver and a gunner

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                  • raceacontari

                    #10
                    Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                    How about we stop trying to get the game changed to fit this or that persons needs and just fix the d**n game. It's not meant to be realistic!

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                    • Mr.Bombastic

                      #11
                      Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                      I see the idea is about teamwork and all that, but..
                      Silentheroes mod for bf1942 had at first 2 man tanks where one os driving and one is gunner. The players didnt like it, and they had to change it back to 1 person being able to drive and gun. Noone wanted to just be the private chauffeur for anybody. Keep as is.

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                      • WolfAlmighty
                        Artillery Magnet
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 2113

                        #12
                        Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                        The only ones I thought that should have been different were the APCs. Tanks have been one-man machines since BF1942 so there's no change there. Planes (B-17 excluded because the pilot had no MG so he had to rely on teammates to keep enemy planes off of him), too. The APCs, however, were always meant for heavy transport and not as a mini-tank. Like the halftracks in BF1942, the BTR-60 in BF:V, both of which had armament that was passenger-controlled while the driver's function was to drive. 'Course, the APCs in 1942 and 'Nam didn't have 20mm rounds with splash on them, just regular MGs, but that was always my stance that the APCs in BF2 should have had the gunner/driver combo to work right. 'Sides, BTR parties were fun in 'Nam, with a fully loaded transport cruising down the road, with sidegunners (that you could actually see) sticking their handheld weapons out the side or repairing, the top gunner watching for AT troopers, and everyone inside kickin' it to Surfin' Bird. Good times.

                        ~Wolfgang

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                        • thecolorpink

                          #13
                          Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                          Originally posted by raceacontari
                          How about we stop trying to get the game changed to fit this or that persons needs and just fix the d**n game. It's not meant to be realistic!
                          very nicely said.

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                          • $kelet0r

                            #14
                            Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                            Originally posted by raceacontari
                            How about we stop trying to get the game changed to fit this or that persons needs and just fix the d**n game. It's not meant to be realistic!
                            Why accept second best though? Bear in mind this is a fantasy request - it won't happen but then again it should have been in the game from day one. Anyway realism? :laugh: A tank has a crew of four!

                            Originally posted by Mr.Bombastic
                            I see the idea is about teamwork and all that, but..
                            Silentheroes mod for bf1942 had at first 2 man tanks where one os driving and one is gunner. The players didnt like it, and they had to change it back to 1 person being able to drive and gun. Noone wanted to just be the private chauffeur for anybody. Keep as is.
                            It didnt work there because
                            - the points system wasnt geared towards it, there were no driver assist points in BF1942 iirc
                            - no other vehicles were affected by the change making it unfair
                            - tanks in Bf1942 were awful

                            Now look at BF2.
                            - 2 player vehicles already exist and when used correctly are arguably the most successful and satisfying aspect of the game.
                            - the points system rewards pilots who assist their gunners
                            - armour and aircraft look, feel and are incredibly powerful and lethal weapons ingame
                            It should and would work in Battlefield 2 and we the player would have a better, higher skill team based game

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                            • Revoluti0n
                              Member
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 3032

                              #15
                              Re: DICE - it's not too late to make all vehicles require a pilot and a gunner

                              Originally posted by raceacontari
                              How about we stop trying to get the game changed to fit this or that persons needs and just fix the d**n game. It's not meant to be realistic!
                              DAMN SKIPPY!

                              I would rather have Dice Canada fix the server crashes, CTD, invisible missiles, and tripped out sound loops rather than try and reconfigure all the vehicles. I do not think it's that big of a problem. Maybe people just need to find some decent servers to play on stop whining about things that don't need to be achanged especially after a year. Play the game and ask or the BUGS to get fixed.

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