So reporting works..

**SkylineXZ** · 06-28-2006, 06:27 AM

Re: So reprting works..

It must work in some cases because that dude a couple of weeks back, (phenom or somthing?) you know the dude who was boasting about his KDR of 7, got his stats wiped within a couple of days of the videos of his using a no fog or name tag hack being posted.

Having said that, I sent BFROE cast iron proof of Mr_Rusher cheating using the Karkand hotel glitch about 3 or 4 weeks ago and still his stats haven't been wiped.

**« R²» HKS** · 06-28-2006, 06:39 AM

Re: So reprting works..

Originally posted by SkylineXZ

It must work in some cases

Yeah it does people get accused wrongly of padding and get wiped just like what happened to {TA}Firestorm, but because he was no1 and it created a wide uproar he magically got his stats back. After EA saying many times, they won't provide evidence, they can't return your stats even if they make a mistake, they could magically restore {TA}Firestorms stats from a backup.

Phenom was caught using hacks. He was somehow made to be symbolic that the system does work after what a 22+ page thread about it, but I believe there are way more examples of people who didn't get wiped with clear and concise and conclusive evidence and those that have been wiped when they shouldn't have we no avenue to dispute it or no evidence presented to them then there are those that have been legitimately wiped.

I actually spoke to Nastie_Butler the other day. He and his crew went and played the staff day, turned up with 20+ ppl and wiped the staff out round after round. After that he went and spoke to IS on the BFROE TS for some 3hrs and he finally found out why he had his stats wiped even though nobody including EA would tell him and provide any proof. What was the reason? Excessive Blackhawk whoring. Can you believe this? Where in the ROE does it say this is not allowed. You would have to wipe 90% of the BF2 community who ever was involved in a successful BH crew, isn't that just good teamwork, that BF2 is supposed to encourage? Not only that he was wiped 7 months after this. When the BH whoring was nerfed, 7 months later he got wiped with the excuse in which he only found out a few days ago from IndianScout himself on the BFROE TS.

Maybe IS can elaborate on this?

Does the reporting system work?

**Linte_Loco** · 06-28-2006, 06:46 AM

Re: So reprting works..

I think EA is getting tired of all this reporting BS. Put yourself in their shoes and see how you like.

**imported_TheDragon** · 06-28-2006, 06:46 AM

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to capt.hks

thanks for taking the time for such LONG and well worded posts
(I am NOT being sarcastic - but serious)

I think this whole STAT wiping issues is such PURE BS on EA part
and BFFROE part

there have been hundreds of OBVIOUS cheaters
(with TONS of proof) that do not get wiped

yet there are many that do get wiped?
eg
we had one in our clan because he fav victim as 42
that was back last fall - when many clans had server starters
and this victim was some AFK guy
yet there are some players with fav victoms in the 100+ and still not wiped?

we had one guy wiped last week
this player is about 45 yrs old
plays in our server regular
is known by us all
and have never seen him cheat/pad in ANY WAY
we all checked his history etc - NOTHING ODD
and he gets NO letter. NO email
and guess what? he still has his rank????? but no awards???? and no points?
huh????

and furthermore:
even though I think the ROE are pretty good to have
where in the EULA or retail package does it say - you have to subscribe to new rules as they are implemented?
I bet less than 50% of the players ever visit these or any forums
yet they are subject to some set of rules they never heard of
hey - I am not defending cheaters/hackers - they should be banned from public play - just using this post to sneak in my thoughts

I have been invited to be on the BFROE team
I hope to at least have them be more consistent and active in banning the multitude of proven hackers/exploits

semper fi

**« R²» HKS** · 06-28-2006, 06:46 AM

Re: So reprting works..

Originally posted by Linte_Loco

I think EA is getting tired of all this reporting BS. Put yourself in their shoes and see how you like.

So the answer is sooo simple. CODE IT DON"T ROE IT!

**Linte_Loco** · 06-28-2006, 06:50 AM

Re: So reprting works..

Originally posted by <<R2>>Capt.HKS

So the answer is sooo simple. CODE IT DON"T ROE IT!

So simple it`s scary :wall:

**« R²» HKS** · 06-28-2006, 07:00 AM

Re: So reporting works..

Originally posted by TopGunGreg

to capt.hks

thanks for taking the time for such LONG and well worded posts
(I am NOT being sarcastic - but serious)

I think this whole STAT wiping issues is such PURE BS on EA part
and BFFROE part

there have been hundreds of OBVIOUS cheaters
(with TONS of proof) that do not get wiped

yet there are many that do get wiped?
eg
we had one in our clan because he fav victim as 42
that was back last fall - when many clans had server starters
and this victim was some AFK guy
yet there are some players with fav victoms in the 100+ and still not wiped?

we had one guy wiped last week
this player is about 45 yrs old
plays in our server regular
is known by us all
and have never seen him cheat/pad in ANY WAY
we all checked his history etc - NOTHING ODD
and he gets NO letter. NO email
and guess what? he still has his rank????? but no awards???? and no points?
huh????

and furthermore:
even though I think the ROE are pretty good to have
where in the EULA or retail package does it say - you have to subscribe to new rules as they are implemented?
I bet less than 50% of the players ever visit these or any forums
yet they are subject to some set of rules they never heard of
hey - I am not defending cheaters/hackers - they should be banned from public play - just using this post to sneak in my thoughts

I have been invited to be on the BFROE team
I hope to at least have them be more consistent and active in banning the multitude of proven hackers/exploits

semper fi

Here's yet another perfect example coming from another server admin. Why should a guy get reset because he killed a guy 42 times in a round because the guy was AFK? Is that right? Was he really padding? Was it the guys fault who was AFK?

To give you a personal example. My worst death streak is 12. How did that happen? I was admining the server, I was in the uncap, silly me, even though we have a no attacking uncap rule until last flag somehow I should be able to be AFK and admining so the players get the best enjoyement. So I had dinner and came back to find out I was 0 kills and 12 deaths. After watching the BR the enemy commander had repeatedly to the sum of 12+ deaths to myself broke our rules by artying the uncap. Not counting the countless times he missed and artyed other players. Should this player be reset as Gregs example. NO even though he broke our rules is why my own fault I was AFK and kept spawning to die.

What I wanna ask you Greg is even asked, which I was by L3 Buck by email and IndianScout personally on our TS to be a BF2RS admin, to become a BFROE admin can you reasonably even consider it after that post you made which is obviously a total lack of confidence in this system and do you think you can personally make a difference?

**Harmor** · 06-28-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by <<R2>>Capt.HKS

Reporting doesn't work.

**Krypp596** · 06-28-2006, 07:32 AM

Re: So reporting works..

WOW! You reported all those guys?

**Harmor** · 06-28-2006, 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by Krypp596

WOW! You reported all those guys?

Yep...and what a complete waste of my time.

Originally posted by <<R2>>Capt.HKS

Now why would we want to go through all of this again with 2142 when Quake Wars has none of this crap and its also a lot cheaper for ranked servers. No ROE, no BS, no high priced servers, no crap patches. Why the hell should we support the Battlefield series any longer?

You can't guarantee that they won't have a crappy patch. Some games that have a crappy patch die...coming to a month after the release of 1.30 and still not hotfix for the server crashes.

Making you think?

**Boss_HoggHB** · 06-28-2006, 07:47 AM

Re: So reprting works..

Originally posted by Revoluti0n

I just looked up his stats and he is in no immediate danger of becoming the number 1 player in the world. All I can tell about that player is that he enjoys team killing and raging people like you. So from your screen shots it looks like you were the one teabagging him.
I just think he p1ssed you off by team killing you and you returned the favor and you said "F*ck it Im reporting this guy." He is not wiped yet because the EA people probably realized the same thing. Not every jerk that is reported gets wiped because I would say 50% or more are pure bullsh1t in the firstplace. Little revenge reports because some people were either teamkilled or someone stole their tank or someone took off in their jet...

Just because the person does not get wiped immediately or within a couple weeks does not mean it wont happen. I know it happens, there was a forum member here that got wiped within a week or so of being caught.

yes i realise that it looks like im teamkilling him , but why on earth would i send in screenshots of me teamkilling him? Plus if they would take 1 look at his stats they would realise that he is a stat padder and he has to get reset . But i bet you would do the same thing after moving to another server , i just hoped that this guy cared for his stats (he obviously does why else would you stat pad ) and that he would cry if they got whiped . I just hate people who love to ruin other peoples games . I didn't even care for the minus score i got or the kick but i just hate the fact that this guy gets joy out of stuff like this . Well anyway its the last time i reported someone , i just hope he gets whiped anyway. But yes if he would have send in some screenshots i could easily get whiped for teamkilling , i certainly hope not

**=IMO=THJones** · 06-28-2006, 07:49 AM

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Ok let me play devil's advocate....
Sure the current system sucks...there is legal stat padding (making me play unranked more and more as everyday i care less and less about my rank seeing people with artificially high ranks) ...the flawed tk system, ect ect...but the saving grace...you can ban smaktards never to see them on your server again...ahh the magic ingame ban button....they got something right!!!!
Even with all the problems I'll look at it as the cup is half full nothalf empty...

**imported_TheDragon** · 06-28-2006, 08:32 AM

Re: So reporting works..

Originally posted by <<R2>>Capt.HKS

What I wanna ask you Greg is even asked, which I was by L3 Buck by email and Indian Scout personally on our TS to be a BF2RS admin, to become a BFROE admin can you reasonably even consider it after that post you made which is obviously a total lack of confidence in this system and do you think you can personally make a difference?

yes - I think the current system is POOR
and the implementation is BAD ! ! !
but - how can I know if I can make a difference if I do not try?
actually - I am appalled at the inconsistencies in the system
and for the life of me, cannot understand why it is not better?
lazy people ? or some technical reason
in any event - I have over 25 years experience in real time interactive simulations - as inventor/designer/developer and owner - I think I can have some influence

fingers crossed

Originally posted by =IMO=THJones

Even with all the problems I'll look at it as the cup is half full nothalf empty...

yes - agree 100%

BUT -

it is sooooooooooooooo easy to make so many things better
and some lazy SOB's somewhere (in the ivory tower) do not take the time to make the improvements so OBVIOUSLY needed

Originally posted by <<R2>>Capt.HKS

To give you a personal example. My worst death streak is 12. How did that happen? I was admining the server, I was in the uncap, silly me, even though we have a no attacking uncap rule until last flag somehow I should be able to be AFK and admining so the players get the best enjoyment. So I had dinner and came back to find out I was 0 kills and 12 deaths. After watching the BR the enemy commander had repeatedly to the sum of 12+ deaths to myself broke our rules by artying the uncap. Not counting the countless times he missed and artyed other players. Should this player be reset as Gregs example. NO even though he broke our rules is why my own fault I was AFK and kept spawning to die.

hehe
my worst death streak was 16
and thanks to my lucky stars - I saw what was happening
or it would have been 32 !
I loaded into our server as a "starter" and forgot to use my spare starter account
at that time - we had no rule against attacking uncaps
I spawned in the bottom of the Essex
some enemy swam into the boat and had his way with me :cry:
I happened to walk by my desk - and saw the guy running toward me
so I killed him and left the room again
when the game was over - I had 1 kill and 32 deaths ! ouch
did he break our server rule ? NO ! ! ! !
did that guy break any ROE?? - NO ! ! ! ! |
(well - not till they edit the ROE again - without consultation)

point is '**** happens ' = these guys do not need to be punished
but the cheaters/hackers/exploiters should be banned
hmmm
maybe in lieu of stats wiping - EA ban them from ranked servers?

hmmm . . .
maybe in lieu of BFROE being judge and jury
we make our own eval team

just ideas

**davelisowski** · 06-28-2006, 09:03 AM

Re: So reporting works..

Stat padders and glitchers are easy to catch, IMO: SS, Battlerecorder (if they're dumb enough to play on a server with BR), videos, impossible stats, etc. There really should be a better system for dealing with these kinds of cheaters.

The problem with hackers, however, is that hacks are completely unique to the users. That way PB cannot have an update to search for certain files or programs running. Now I don't know too much about programming, but couldn't someone at EA purchase one of these hacks and hack it? To me it seems like a good way to protect an investment - minimize the abuse by the users. The idea is exists, but isn't really there.

**Auto-ER-** · 06-28-2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by davelisowski

but couldn't someone at EA purchase one of these hacks and hack it? To me it seems like a good way to protect an investment - minimize the abuse by the users. The idea is exists, but isn't really there.

Almost all of the pay hacks are detected. The ones that they can't catch are the private ones that people write, and don't distribute. If PB doesn't know what to look for, it can't detect it. The only person I have ever seen using a hack that was obvious at least, was |cyphershogun, and he got reset, other than that, if I have incountered someone using them, they sucked so bad anyway, it was a moot point.

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