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  • BlueBunny63
    Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 357

    #1

    Silence = Death

    Those who advocate silence on this website about the subject of BF2 cheats and glitches are, unintentionally, acting in collusion with the cheaters and aiding them. It seems that those who run this site have a (misguided) sense of duty to the community that manifests itself as censorship of new information about the cheaters who threaten us, which means that we are only setting ourselves up as new victims of the cheaters.

    Case in point: the Vodnik/Hotel cheat on Karkand. If we know about it and how it works, then we can implement counter measures. One easy idea is to blow up the Vods dropped there, then avoid the area altogether, leaving the cheaters locked inside the hotel with nothing to shoot and no exit, but I’m sure others will come up with much better ideas. The point is: we need to know about these things to fight against them.

    People will flame away in this thread and say “Oh no, don’t talk about it!” but that will be a mistake. You’re acting like a bunch of ostriches with your heads in the sand: you ignore the problem in the hopes that it will not grow, and you condemn those of us who don’t have your knowledge of what the latest glitches and cheats are, to become the victims of those who do.

    Instead, we should all be doing exactly the opposite of being silent about cheats and glitches and other problems in the game, especially on a public forum like this. We should be shouting the news from the rooftops: New glitch found & here’s how to avoid it! New hack suspected – avoid this server/player/clan/building!

    Rather than colluding in silence with the cheaters by ensuring them a steady flow of ignorant victims, we should be sharing our information, trading our war stories, telling our fellow gamers about what’s happening & what the latest exploits are, so that we can defend ourselves from them!

    Yes, people have and always will whine about imaginary cheats, but that’s the background noise we have to sift through, that’s the price of being informed about the real threats. This site’s apparent policy about being silent about cheats and hacks is not making them go away, it is not lessening the problem one bit, because bad people will always find new ways to do bad things.

    For example: Google “BF2 cheats” or “BF2 hax” or “Battlefield hacks” and you will get tens of thousands of hits, many amazingly detailed. There are whole sites that are like online shopping malls selling packages of cheats, screen shots and detailed info about how they work… take your pick, $20 or $30 via PayPal and boom - you’re the insta-leet guy who sees through walls and whose enemies all show up in dayglow yellow.

    If you don’t want to risk getting nailed by PB, just read about the dozens of glitches that people have found on every map, there are plenty of sites that talk about them in great detail. And if you really want to step through Alice’s Looking Glass, contact any of the people running these sites, and you will discover a whole new world of custom hacks that PB has never, and will never detect, because all they sell to the pubbers is the junk they stopped using themselves, 6 months ago.

    I realize that I’ve been long-winded, but my point is simple: glitches & exploits, as well as outright cheats and hacks, are a threat to the average player’s fun with the game, they are not something that will make the average player cheat himself. The knowledge of how crimes are committed does not make good people into criminals, but it does help them avoid becoming victims.

    Those of us who play on the up-and-up need to know as much about those who don’t as possible, so that we can avoid getting abused by the glitchers, hackers, and cheaters out there who are always, and I mean always, developing some new clever trick to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of us.

    I’m not saying “fight fire with fire”, but I am saying “fight fire with knowledge”. If we know what they’re doing, we can counter it. If we keep each other in the dark, we are just sheep being led to the slaughter by our own communal fear of sharing the truth about these threats to our game.

    /end rant, flame suit on.
  • imported_SpungE

    #2
    Re: Silence = Death

    They have a server owners forum where they discuss new cheats so server admins are clued up.

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    • AP_piano295

      #3
      Re: Silence = Death

      Originally posted by Sir. SpungE
      They have a server owners forum where they discuss new cheats so server admins are clued up.
      I'm just wondering do you actually think Stephen Colbert is a Republican? I'm just asking because a girl at my school doesnt get that he's being sarcastic and i'm wondering if it;s a common misconception.

      and cheaters suck

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      • OnsErwin

        #4
        Re: Silence = Death

        Totaly agree with BlueBunny63.

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        • Dlab37
          Member
          • Jun 2006
          • 475

          #5
          Re: Silence = Death

          good point. I was advocating for not saying. But after i read your post i totally agree with you. I have a question. Can someone else go in there if someone there? so you pop smoke near the all do the same thing and kill him.

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          • Rambo-82(NOR)

            #6
            Re: Silence = Death

            i agree too

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            • WarGimp

              #7
              Re: Silence = Death

              There's no rule against discussing the emergance of cheats/exploits. We just don't want detailed information to be posted on how to preform/get them. It gives people naughty ideas.

              It's much like the way suicides are covered in the media. It's been proven that if suicides are reported in the mass media, it gives rise to higher numbers of other people desiding to bump themselves off. The menatlity is "if those other people are doing it, it's ok for me to do it too".

              Of cource, rational people know this is a BS excuse, but *the masses* are far from rational.
              :p

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              • cyberbex

                #8
                Re: Silence = Death

                Originally posted by BlueBunny63
                Those who advocate silence on this website about the subject of BF2 cheats and glitches are, unintentionally, acting in collusion with the cheaters and aiding them. It seems that those who run this site have a (misguided) sense of duty to the community that manifests itself as censorship of new information about the cheaters who threaten us, which means that we are only setting ourselves up as new victims of the cheaters.

                Case in point: the Vodnik/Hotel cheat on Karkand. If we know about it and how it works, then we can implement counter measures. One easy idea is to blow up the Vods dropped there, then avoid the area altogether, leaving the cheaters locked inside the hotel with nothing to shoot and no exit, but I’m sure others will come up with much better ideas. The point is: we need to know about these things to fight against them.

                People will flame away in this thread and say “Oh no, don’t talk about it!” but that will be a mistake. You’re acting like a bunch of ostriches with your heads in the sand: you ignore the problem in the hopes that it will not grow, and you condemn those of us who don’t have your knowledge of what the latest glitches and cheats are, to become the victims of those who do.

                Instead, we should all be doing exactly the opposite of being silent about cheats and glitches and other problems in the game, especially on a public forum like this. We should be shouting the news from the rooftops: New glitch found & here’s how to avoid it! New hack suspected – avoid this server/player/clan/building!

                Rather than colluding in silence with the cheaters by ensuring them a steady flow of ignorant victims, we should be sharing our information, trading our war stories, telling our fellow gamers about what’s happening & what the latest exploits are, so that we can defend ourselves from them!

                Yes, people have and always will whine about imaginary cheats, but that’s the background noise we have to sift through, that’s the price of being informed about the real threats. This site’s apparent policy about being silent about cheats and hacks is not making them go away, it is not lessening the problem one bit, because bad people will always find new ways to do bad things.

                For example: Google “BF2 cheats” or “BF2 hax” or “Battlefield hacks” and you will get tens of thousands of hits, many amazingly detailed. There are whole sites that are like online shopping malls selling packages of cheats, screen shots and detailed info about how they work… take your pick, $20 or $30 via PayPal and boom - you’re the insta-leet guy who sees through walls and whose enemies all show up in dayglow yellow.

                If you don’t want to risk getting nailed by PB, just read about the dozens of glitches that people have found on every map, there are plenty of sites that talk about them in great detail. And if you really want to step through Alice’s Looking Glass, contact any of the people running these sites, and you will discover a whole new world of custom hacks that PB has never, and will never detect, because all they sell to the pubbers is the junk they stopped using themselves, 6 months ago.

                I realize that I’ve been long-winded, but my point is simple: glitches & exploits, as well as outright cheats and hacks, are a threat to the average player’s fun with the game, they are not something that will make the average player cheat himself. The knowledge of how crimes are committed does not make good people into criminals, but it does help them avoid becoming victims.

                Those of us who play on the up-and-up need to know as much about those who don’t as possible, so that we can avoid getting abused by the glitchers, hackers, and cheaters out there who are always, and I mean always, developing some new clever trick to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of us.

                I’m not saying “fight fire with fire”, but I am saying “fight fire with knowledge”. If we know what they’re doing, we can counter it. If we keep each other in the dark, we are just sheep being led to the slaughter by our own communal fear of sharing the truth about these threats to our game.

                /end rant, flame suit on.
                to be honest this is the best thread/post ive read in a very long time on this forum.
                it speaks the minds of alot of players in the community!
                alot of the time as soon as some mentions cheats/exploits the admins are lockin the thread.
                these things like mentioned should be spoke about an disscused openly in the forums,
                my veiw on it is we pay for the game an if people use hacks/exploits then we have a right to know as its are game they are killing especially if like me they are a server owner/admin.
                the admins of this site really need to rethink there polociys on open ADULT talking.
                i for one search virtually every forum i can find on bf2 to find out hack news an exploits so i can stop it from are server.
                i havent even had vbf2 maps on are server due to the fact that alot of people are using exploits(but if you mention them here the thread gets awarning)we need to know whats happening in are game we brought it!
                YET AGAIN I GOTTA SAY TO BLUEBUNNY GREAT THREAD AN GREAT POST

                Originally posted by Wargimp
                There's no rule against discussing the emergance of cheats/exploits. We just don't want detailed information to be posted on how to preform/get them. It gives people naughty ideas.

                It's much like the way suicides are covered in the media. It's been proven that if suicides are reported in the mass media, it gives rise to higher numbers of other people desiding to bump themselves off. The menatlity is "if those other people are doing it, it's ok for me to do it too".

                Of cource, rational people know this is a BS excuse, but *the masses* are far from rational.
                :p
                we need all the info we can get to stop an know what to look for!
                you your self are not a server owner.
                if people get the news an the info on exploits hacks glitchs then good,as the community knows an they find away to stop it because every knows.
                an to compare this to some one committing suicide is just daft an stupid.
                im sure theres people in this forum that know of people that have committed sucide an to compare it to a game is just ridiculas

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                • imported_SpungE

                  #9
                  Re: Silence = Death

                  Originally posted by AP_piano295
                  I'm just wondering do you actually think Stephen Colbert is a Republican? I'm just asking because a girl at my school doesnt get that he's being sarcastic and i'm wondering if it;s a common misconception.
                  He's more repunlican than you'll ever be!

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                  • AlphaCueUp

                    #10
                    Re: Silence = Death

                    i agree 100% with the original poster........well spoken words of truth that have been on mind since ive seen the first censor of information about cheat/hacks/exploits/etc...

                    ive even started a thread like this on another forum, but was unable to word it as nicely as you have.....well thought out, and to the point.....

                    im sure you agree though, that posting a how-to about the latest exploit would potentially be a bigger mistake than remaining silent and censored

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                    • Chris_Redfield
                      Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 5986

                      #11
                      Re: Silence = Death

                      While the idea is noble, one has to remember thet most BF2 players are not 20+ guys who love fair play and use their brains to avoid hazardous areas.

                      Its better to have a few dumbasses in the building, than a dozen. and if the word spreads, there will be dozens...

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                      • AlphaCueUp

                        #12
                        Re: Silence = Death

                        Originally posted by Chris_Redfield
                        While the idea is noble, one has to remember thet most BF2 players are not 20+ guys who love fair play and use their brains to avoid hazardous areas.

                        Its better to have a few dumbasses in the building, than a dozen. and if the word spreads, there will be dozens...
                        that is true if only word of how-to is spread, which i am sure is not what the original poster had in mind......

                        from what i understand, the original poster was speaking about spreading the word as to what to look for, and how to be aware, as to not fall victim......and to be aware so it can be spotted, and reported to the proper channels

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                        • Chris_Redfield
                          Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 5986

                          #13
                          Re: Silence = Death

                          If we know about it and how it works, then we can implement counter measures.
                          I think thats exactly what he meant- detailed information on how this stuff works.

                          To avoid being fracked up by those desperate kiddies, is to play in well adminned servers.

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                          • AP_piano295

                            #14
                            Re: Silence = Death

                            Originally posted by Sir. SpungE
                            He's more repunlican than you'll ever be!
                            heheh... i dont get it but he prbly is.

                            MEGA AMERICAN

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                            • K.Cookie

                              #15
                              Re: Silence = Death

                              Amen!

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