Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

[cemmyz]

Right, have recently purchase EF as a self pressie for finishing uni.

For the next 2 days I could hardly find anyone playing it, before eventually finding the odd server at the odd time.

However when I did play what struck me the most was the extreme ease that aircraft can roam free doing their crappy bombing circuits (would love to say runs but lets be honest all they do is fly in a loop bombing and re-arming, hardly difficult or interesting!!).

Coupled with the armour whores camping just outside of a spawn point and then artillery I have found it nigh on impossible to play as there are too few tanks about and too many aircraft!! Funnily enough the best, most fun games (and most evenly fort on both sides) were the ones in which air power was not whored by the same people all of the time and peoples true skills emerged!

Anyone else think that these whores are responsible for making EF barely playable at the best of times?

[WDA_Endless954]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

No. EF maps have plenty of mobile AA. Anyone being beaten to death by airpower can simply hop in one and kill the jets.

[cemmyz]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

not really, many times I have seen the helicopters hovering in the distance out of range before tv missiling me, likewise with jets.

edited to add. not really had this problem with vanilla bf2 of SF just on EF

[Blackdeath]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

Yes air whore yes...

i can't even drive a plane 1 minute because of those AA everywhere...

[TITAN126]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

Never had a problem with it. If it becomes a problem, I just jump in some AA and take 'em down.

[WDA_Endless954]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

Well, as someone who has flown EF maps, there is AA everywhere. If you're getting dominated by the jets/helicopters, just hop in some AA and call it a day like I said.

[N2K]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

AA does work

[cemmyz]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

AA does work, yes - Only however when you see the plane before it sees you! That and if you have a long clear line of fire to allow time to lock and then relock after the flares, THEN fire the missiles in a manner which will actually hit the damn thing! if you fire when it is directly above or just in front then you will miss as the missile isn't that flexible to bend 180degrees!

Yes you can use the cannon but again that means getting a shot out before being seen and then consitantly hitting for around 2 seconds at least (with a plane, more for a attack heli) which is ample time for them to drop bombs / fire a accurate tv missile, you may seriously damage them but thats no good.
Even if you kill them the whole process is likely to start up again as the whores simply respawn and get back into the plane! Personnally sitting around in AA all the time is not the reason I play!

Sorry for the essay btw but this really grips my ****

The next problem is of course that you then have to deal with the armour, SF with their c4, engineers with mines and AT guys shooting at you whilst trying to target the aircraft!
I know I am not the only one to suffer like this and do not take this as a take pity on me rant but that is exactly my point - I'm not the only one which in my honest opinion is quite likely a significant reason (not the only tho) for why EF is hardly played!

edited to add: remember most pilots arn' that stupid and will switch their main targets to the AA targeting them before continuing their loops!! Plus to give a half decent defence from severe air power it means that a concentrated effort from the whole team is needed which we all know hardly happens in public servers!

[Miniman]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

play great wall, its the best infantry lvl i think. vehicles cant hit you on the walls.

[cemmyz]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

play great wall, its the best infantry lvl i think. vehicles cant hit you on the walls.

I would if I could ever find a populated server playing it in the UK Only EF map I havn't played online yet!!

[N2K]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

I had no problem getting my expert AA taking down all jets, even J10s

[[GCA]Tim270]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

^same

[UnknownSoldier]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

AA does work, yes - Only however when you see the plane before it sees you!

Ya no crap! This how the ENTIRE FREAKING GAME WORKS. If I'm infantry, and some other infantry sees me first, then chances are he's gonna kill me! DUH!

If you're getting your ass kicked in mobile AA then you don't know what you're doing. My buddy loves mobile AA and has a 3:1 ratio in it. Oh and BTW, you should be parking next to a building or a shed or something so if the plane DOES see you then you can just drive under shelter to avoid the bombs--problem solved.

If the planes seem overpowered it's because your team's fighter pilot and AA drivers aren't doing their jobs properly. The ONLY map on which planes are TRULY overpowered is Operation Clean Sweep (this seriously needs some mobile AA).

I usually beat AA when I'm in a plane, but that's because I'm a career air whore who's been playing this game for almost a year now--and even I get shot down periodically when AA gets the jump on me.

Try playing the game for more than 2 secs before you start screaming "PLANES ARE TOO POWERFUL". If they're giving you trouble, like people here have said, get into some AA or heck, GET INTO A PLANE AND GO SHOOT HIM DOWN. That's what fighters are for.

One last thing: Planes really aren't THAT easy to fly. It takes a lot of practice before you can bomb accurately, without crashing or TKing like mad. If that wasn't true, then people wouldn't be whining about how overpowered they are, they'd be up flying them instead, like I said.

[cemmyz]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

Ya no crap! This how the ENTIRE FREAKING GAME WORKS. If I'm infantry, and some other infantry sees me first, then chances are he's gonna kill me! DUH!

If you're getting your ass kicked in mobile AA then you don't know what you're doing. My buddy loves mobile AA and has a 3:1 ratio in it. Oh and BTW, you should be parking next to a building or a shed or something so if the plane DOES see you then you can just drive under shelter to avoid the bombs--problem solved.

If the planes seem overpowered it's because your team's fighter pilot and AA drivers aren't doing their jobs properly. The ONLY map on which planes are TRULY overpowered is Operation Clean Sweep (this seriously needs some mobile AA).

I usually beat AA when I'm in a plane, but that's because I'm a career air whore who's been playing this game for almost a year now--and even I get shot down periodically when AA gets the jump on me.

Try playing the game for more than 2 secs before you start screaming "PLANES ARE TOO POWERFUL". If they're giving you trouble, like people here have said, get into some AA or heck, GET INTO A PLANE AND GO SHOOT HIM DOWN. That's what fighters are for.

One last thing: Planes really aren't THAT easy to fly. It takes a lot of practice before you can bomb accurately, without crashing or TKing like mad. If that wasn't true, then people wouldn't be whining about how overpowered they are, they'd be up flying them instead, like I said.

Errm did you actually A: read what I have said - obviously not otherwise you would have noticed a pattern emerging with me saying that there are other things to be considered such as tanks which AA can do feck all about!

B. Did you actually read what you said?

"I usually beat AA when I'm in a plane, but that's because I'm a career air whore who's been playing this game for almost a year now" My very point! all it takes is one person like you and its endex for everyone else

Maybe you should take some reading lessons before further posts?

C. When I am saying about 'seeing' the aircraft I mean by having the ability to actually lock on...! No good having a visible target if you cannot shoot it with missiles (yes there is cannon but as previously stated it takes far more time to do sufficient damage compared to the time to aquire a lock and fire a missile from the aircraft) Im sorry I actually thought that I would be speaking to people with half an ounce of intelligence who didn't need to have that basic spelt out to them...

D. As for playing the game for more then 2 secs, I actually have around 300hrs time logged since September 05 I would argue that I am certainly not a 'noob', at the same time I am not saying that I am the greatest player ever, simply that I am more then competent without resorting to spending every waking moment of my life or free time (sorry life is the wrong word for people who play for 18hrs a day as clearly they do not have one) focusing on something till they have perfected it and then know every little detail on the map, aircraft etc down to what shade of brown the pixel is at the top right corner of whatever map it is. I'm sorry but the level of detail some people go into on here is simply pathetic and highlights my previous point in brackets above - those are the little curly things used to say something without actually saying it so to speak...... sorry excuse me I am getting too technical now with my words let me fetch my copy of Spot the Dog and see how to phrase it to people with an IQ lower then brocolli.......

Carried on from that I am not saying that the planes are too easy to use as yes I am personally a pants dog fighter and only a basic bomber but this does not carry any weight to the argument that planes are not overpowered - they are. Tank whores are far easier to kill, even the best of them as there are simply more methods available. Aircraft have only a handfull of options. Personally I have found the best method is by shooting them up before they have taken off from a light strike vehicle if they are about whenever I am planting c4 on the assets (before anyone predictably cries baserape I am NOT saying I sit around waiting for targets and whoring them, I am mearly taking on targets of oppertunity if they present themselves during the raid)

Now please no more predictable posts from pilots it is obvious that you are incapable of seeing beyond your own little worlds and seem to live in some fantasy world whereby there is always a magic solution somewhere which in reality rarely works due to *que drumroll* Other factors such as the ones already stated!

[UnknownSoldier]

Re: Air whores.. The reason for the empty servers?

I'm sorry but the level of detail some people go into on here is simply pathetic

I couldn't agree more. I'd also like to point out that your post was the most 'detailed' on here--except you seem a little more concerned with insulting me than countering my arguments.

there are other things to be considered such as tanks which AA can do feck all about!

If you're on a map like Taraba Quarry (which is the one you're complaining about I assume), where tanks are a problem, you deal with them by driving behind friendly tanks... you're supposed to be covering them from the planes after all. If it's really that hard then how come my friend has a 3:1 ratio?

all it takes is one person like you and its endex for everyone else

Sometimes, yes--but like I said, only if the planes/AA on the other team are total n00bs. A half-decent fighter pilot/mobile AA driver can keep me occupied and thus distracted from bombing other people even if he can't shoot me down. But differences in skill like that always make a big difference--a highly experienced squad leader on the ground can make just as much if not more of a contribution towards pwning the other team simply by knowing what bases to attack. And besides, even when I have the occasional 40:0 round it doesn't automatically mean my team wins.

Tank whores are far easier to kill, even the best of them as there are simply more methods available.

Ya you're right. But again, a good tank driver can do plenty--the difference is that he does it by capturing flags instead of killing mass amounts of people. A plane is SUPPOSED to get large numbers of kills because you don't get any team points when you fly one. Both them and attack choppers are designed just to clear out enemies so guys in tanks and APCs can capture bases.

Listen dude, I know how frustrating it can get when you get bombed like 3 times in a row and it feels like you can't get anywhere without some prick like me dropping a thousand pounds of ordnance in your face... but believe me there are ways of countering that problem if you just spend a little less time flaming on forums and a little more time working at it.