Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

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  • Frenchman

    #31
    Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

    A few choice responses...

    Replace all the talk of Karkand with the more generic phrase "city maps" or any map where the spawns are poorly laid out, and I'll agree with you. Karkand certainly is the best example but Sharqi is another great example of helo whoring, since the US helo usually gets owned before it takes off and the MEC helo and it's awesome cannon blasts everything. Mashtuur is probably the best, but besides a few spawns, vehicle whoring works really well.

    As it relates to kill assists and such, why not leave them at 1 point? What's the harm in having things equal? Sure, it's not exactly as logical as the 2 point/1 point system, but it's not like it creates the havoc in the scoring system that 2 point vehicle kills do. For the record, 2 points for killing another vehicle is a GOOD idea since the vast majority of vehicle drivers time is spent killing infantry not other armor (can you blame them? There isn't any incentive to kill other armor if you can avoid it. Infantry die in seconds, enemy armor stands a chance of killing you...).

    Notice that in about half of these posts, people talk about nerfing vehicles, how I want vehicles nerfed, more talk of nerfing, I suck and need to be nerfed, I'm a loser and have already been nerfed... etc etc from people who have one track minds.

    I specifically did NOT talk about nerfing the vehicles because in most instances vehicles SHOULD be more powerful. I mean... a tank is obviously more powerful then a M16. However, let's not kid ourselves: it's far easier to rack up kills in vehicles then it is as an infantryman. It's easier for exactly the same reason I said before, vehicles are more powerful. All I'm saying is that for the average server with the average players, a player who wants to get a medal should not be required to use a vehicle, as it stands now.

    So stop injecting your tired old arguements about nerfing into this discussion, because I certainly didn't raise them in my original post.

    edit

    And to the guy who is tired of pubbers... I'm tired of people who play competitivly that think BF2 should respond ONLY to your set of players and ignore the vast majority of BF2 players. Since you don't care about points, then you shouldn't have any problem with my proposed changes. No need to bring yourself into this discussion.

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    • Sloi sauce

      #32
      Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

      You can present your 'arguments' any way you want but in the end, it's nothing more than a nerfing on vehicles: since two kills are required for the same score you'd get for one, we've basically had our weapons decreased in "power" by half. Sure, they kill as much... but they're half as powerful killwise... so it's a f*cking nerf. I'd love to argue some more, but this is intellectual masturbation because DICE won't change sh*t. Just learn to use vehicles if you crave medals and recognition that badly... :)

      I could nag about the commander getting "first place" 80% of the time, but why would I ? Deep down, I know what my second or third place really means... and so do those I've played with.

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      • dextric_191

        #33
        Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

        Frenchman just proposed a ****ing idea. Dont get on his back about him being a noob and how everything needs a bloody nerf. I am not saying i agree with his idea, but at least give him the courtesy of debating it in an appropriate manner.

        Some people just amaze me with thier ignorance.

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        • sddo

          #34
          Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

          yeah taking the points down is a bad idea imho. i do, however, agree that vehicles are more of a chore and to create more incentive to kill them there should be a 1 point reward for taking down any sort of armor or aircraft. there was a thread about this awhile back on the dice suggestion forums that amounted to 6 pages of crap so i doubt this will go anywhere, but hey...it can't hurt to reiterate, eh?

          edit: here is that thread. enjoy.

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          • vets.Sarge

            #35
            Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

            Spawnraping Tanks and APCs = yes

            Skilled pilots using a chopper/jet all round long getting 48-2 after months of practice = no, full points

            Skilled tank users who defeat the enemies tank time after time without dieing themselves and helping the team win the round = no, full points

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            • seeker[uk]

              #36
              Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

              vehicle spawn raping is obviously the problem....
              and ive noticed the ppl that like to do this also like to throw claymores everywhere or spam nades.
              I've been building up hours in engineer class for the vet badge (getting bored of it now)so i thought ide just jump in any apc in kark(not this acc)and repair when needed.But recently i started using the apc.....and to say No skill is involved i think is an understatement unless of course you spawn kill.

              I dont think it takes much thought to realise that anyone skilled in apc/tank
              is going to spawn at the vehicles and go for the mad rush....they know they can score more points cos 3/4 of the map is made up of "noobs".
              Of course im talking about my karkand experiances but i wouldnt mind seeing a new spawn system where skilless point hunters had to actually think.

              PLUS.....
              It makes me smile that ppl go out of their way and reply to threads they dislike.When i read the paper i never read the astrology page because i know i wont like it.
              i dont call people whiners in a forum because thats exatcly what the forum is for....conversation/moaning/ideas/complaints.But to WHINE about ppl WHINING isnt practical.
              :P

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              • Teaves

                #37
                Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                Originally posted by dextric_191
                Frenchman just proposed a ****ing idea. Dont get on his back about him being a noob and how everything needs a bloody nerf. I am not saying i agree with his idea, but at least give him the courtesy of debating it in an appropriate manner.

                Some people just amaze me with thier ignorance.
                Took the words out of my mouth, i just read this thread all the way through and don't understand why everyone is abusing and insulting the OP. Disagree if you like (i do) but why go into flame mode?? grow up

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                • Consultant01

                  #38
                  Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                  Removal of a battlefield asset of your enemy should be rewarded... Killing tank with a gunner is effectively removing three battlefield assets...

                  The two men in control of the guns and the machine itself.

                  Ground vehicles are a harder sell for this because if they bail out of the tank you can jump in and wreck shop. Not so for a chopper.

                  But yeah, Killing a tank/apc/chopper/jet/transport is harder and more combat affecting in most cases than killing an opposing soldier. Maybe points for the kills themselves then also a point for the asset in much the same way that Spec Ops gets points for destroying arty and UAV trailers/Radar stations.

                  Its a good idea, IMHO.

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                  • Zefram

                    #39
                    Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                    we post because we're tired of whiners and people who contribute to some of the stupidest changes in the game...

                    I want to be able to shoot while I'm jumping dammit! lol

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                    • Black_lagon

                      #40
                      Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                      omg

                      if you can't take a down a tank, you are just a noob.
                      and why do you think tanks exist, omg

                      nerf your brains maby ^^
                      and adept and overcome

                      Go to this server:


                      and read the nice ccc consel messages

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                      • Sloi sauce

                        #41
                        Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                        We respond to threads like these because leaving them alone implicitly means we agree with the content... or at the very least don't disagree. Dangerous or poor ideas require resistance from knowledgeable community members so that BF2 doesn't further spiral into complete ********.

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                        • imported_Phenomenomenon

                          #42
                          Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                          Originally posted by Thomas Magnum
                          yeah, I'm tired of all these people thinking that the entire game experience should be altered according to what happens in Karkand.
                          So true.

                          And he is SOOOO concerned with stats that the OP wants to adjust kill points to benefit infantry.

                          Just get out there and get some ****ing flags and don't worry about how many points the guy who killed you is getting.

                          F'n stats man.... screwing with peoples head, day in day out.

                          Hey OP heres 10 points for being point fixated. Hmmm points....

                          Oh and here is your "Army of One" ribbon.

                          Some things you do in life and in game cuz it's the right thing to do. You shouldn't need points or bribes to do them.

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                          • The Soup Nazi

                            #43
                            Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                            Instead of nerfing the points that a person in a vehicle gets per kill, how about a completely alternative point system? I'm thinking something like this:

                            Killing a vehicle should award varying amounts of points depending on who is operating the vehicle. For example, killing someone in a vehicle who has already scored a bunch of kills that round should award the killer with more points than just 2. If you kill a jet pilot who has 20+ kills, you should get 4-6 points for taking him out since, by killing him, you are helping your team stay alive.

                            Killing a squad leader should award more points than just 2 because you're not only taking out a player, but you're also disabling a mobile spawn point for the opposing team.

                            Points for taking out enemy artillery should be varied, as well. If the enemy commander has used it and killed X amount of your teammates, taking out his artillery is more valuable than when he has never used it or has not used it effectively.

                            Taking out higher ranked players can be more difficult than taking out lower ranked players (sometimes- not always the truth). Award the killer with more points than normal.

                            Effective SL's who are hiding and act as a mobile spawn point should get a percentage of the points that his squad earns. They should be rewarded for their determination to keep the spawn point alive. (I, for one, would love to see this since I like to fly transport choppers and have my squad parachute in from high above AA range)

                            These are just a few of the many ideas bouncing around in my head.

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                            • SERIALBUTCHER

                              #44
                              Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                              I am a vehicle whore (in the top 100 in tanks w/ 34,000 kills), & I agree that the reward for destroying a tank, or apc is too low for the amount of skill necessary, & risk involved

                              You should get points for the kill, & points for destroying the asset

                              tanker = 2
                              tank = 2

                              2 + 2 = 4

                              tank w/ full crew should net 6 points

                              I am ranked in the top 200 commanders, & I will admit that the reward for spec op is too low also, UAV, ARTY, & SCAN are worth @ least 2 points

                              Just being honest, & devils advocate too

                              Colonel |SI|SERIALBUTCHER

                              peace

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                              • Sung_Do_Chuck

                                #45
                                Re: Vehicle kills should be only 1 point

                                LOLOL! vehicle kills=1 point???? NEVER!!!!1 :laugh:

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