Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

[Harmor]

You know, while you're DEAD, the Create Squad and Join Squad buttons are disabled in the 1.30 (confrimed at BFCON). Well, before a match you're dead.

Also since many servers run the deamon that switches sides, well there are no squads when this happens. This means that you'll be autoswitched because you're a lonewolf.

Some servers have 45 seconds before a game spawns...will everyone be a lonewolf til they spawn?

There's also that bug with commanders that if you are autoswitched while applying for commander, then switch back your side can't have a commander.

[Liam.]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Why would it matter?

[evilzucchini]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Knowing Dice, you probably won't be able to. . . they do some pretty stupid things.

However, you make a very valid point. If they do this, you have to be able to join/create a squad before your first spawn.

[Auto-ER-]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

The patch at BFCON was a beta, if they did it like that, than we can rest assured that there will be problems, and even more bugs.

[Second Gunman]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

There's also that bug with commanders that if you are autoswitched while applying for commander, then switch back your side can't have a commander.

That's why I always create a squad, apply for commander, choose a kit, and choose a spawn point, in that order.

[Orion126]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Why would it matter?

Says the sniper.

It matters because if you play as a squad you have to wait for everyone to die once before your entire squad can be together or have to wait for everyone in your squad to spawn before you can proceed to the task at hand.

[MrBrown]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Well at the beginning of a round there are no squadleaders running around.
So you have to spawn at a flag anyway.
So even IF DICE doesn't make it so that you can leave/join/create before the round begins - then just make the squads quickly after spawning.

Of course it would be nice to choose squads BEFORE the round begins.
I am pretty sure it will be this way in the end.

Disabling these buttons while dead is a VERY SMALL change, and everyone who knows a bit about software development can say that this is very unlikely to introduce new bugs and side-effects.

New bugs and side-effects arise from new features usually, not from restricting features. So the ability to drop vehicles might be something we'll see abused and readjusted too, but that squad-fix is very simple and a safe change.

[evilzucchini]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

MrBrown,

Unless you know how they have structured their code, it is kind of hard to say that it is a simple change. Sure, it SHOULD be simple, but considering some of the easy stuff I have seen Dice butcher (like unloading resources, WTF is that and why does it take so long?) I wouldn't be surprised if this is not an easy fix for them.

[Liam.]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Says the sniper.

It matters because if you play as a squad you have to wait for everyone to die once before your entire squad can be together or have to wait for everyone in your squad to spawn before you can proceed to the task at hand.

Try all spawning at one flag...

Everyone would have to spawn in the same spot anyway, or are you expecting to be able to spawn anywhere you want?

[Orion126]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Try all spawning at one flag...

Everyone would have to spawn in the same spot anyway, or are you expecting to be able to spawn anywhere you want?

If the server you are in is running 2 times the same map then the 2nd time it doesn't matter because everyone spawns at the same time. Most of us have pretty decent computers that allow us to load maps faster and by the time some people have loaded there are already squad leaders halfway to the first flag.

[Inside]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

MrBrown does have a point, it would be pretty simple.

if (player.isDead()) createSquadbutton.disable()

I wouldn't put it past Dice to mess up somehow though!

[Orion126]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

if (you knew. how to code())

then (apply. at EA())

[imported_Apostle]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

if (you knew. how to code())

then (apply. at EA())

:laugh:

[Painboy]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Try all spawning at one flag...

Everyone would have to spawn in the same spot anyway, or are you expecting to be able to spawn anywhere you want?

By not being able to join a squad immediately means you cannot delay spawn or spawn in route. Many times only the squad leader will spawn and the rest of the squad will spawn on him as he is moving. Doing this insures the squad isn't screwing around for 30 seconds at the beginning of the round trying to pick everyone up in a vehicle.

Who cares's, what's 30 seconds? In a competitive match that can be the difference between getting a flag first. And since they are apparently going to kill squad hopping, taking a flag will be much harder for the attacker now. And while this does effect both sides, it won't neccessarily be equal since spawns are random. One team may get a great spawn and the other may get a horrible one. They get the flag first, they have the advantage of the defense, and the match is decided by a bad spawn. Yay that's fun.

I was afraid DICE was going to do a hamfisted fix and the more I read about it the more I think that's going to happen.

[Harmor]

Re: Will the 1.30 patch not allow you to create squads at the start of a game?

Who cares's, what's 30 seconds? In a competitive match that can be the difference between getting a flag first. And since they are apparently going to kill squad hopping, taking a flag will be much harder for the attacker now. And while this does effect both sides, it won't neccessarily be equal since spawns are random. One team may get a great spawn and the other may get a horrible one. They get the flag first, they have the advantage of the defense, and the match is decided by a bad spawn. Yay that's fun.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Mastuur City, getting the flag at the Masque is dependent on a fast squad.

Having to wait for your buddies to get into your jeep is precious seconds you're not capping the flag.

This isn't so bad when you're trying to get into a helicopter because it takes a few seconds for them to rev up, but vehicles...yes that will be a problem.

Not being able to spawn on a squad leader at the start of the round unless you were in his squad in the previous round...WILL SUCK!!!