CQC v CQB

[18Zulukiller]

There's a lot of people that are miss using the term CQC on this forum and so i though id enlighten some of you . Sorry i cant help myself i know exacterly what you mean it's just been bugging me since day one of useing this forum. Metal Gear Solid was only a game The Boss and Naked Snake didnt invent it lol .

CQB

CQB is an acronym for Close Quarters Battles and refers to fighting methods within buildings, streets, narrow alleys and other places where visibility and maneuverability are limited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CQB

CQC

Close Quarters Combat, or CQC, is used to an up-close military hand-to-hand fighting system. CQC was created by William Ewart Fairbairn and Eric Anthony Sykes who had worked in the British armed forces and helped teach the Shanghai Municipal Police (SMP) a quick and effective and simple technique for fighting with or without weapons in melee situations.

(basically knife fighting in game)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CQC

[N2K]

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I like CQB, played SWAT3 for years

[MouseNo4]

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I hate the CS part of BF. Its the one thing i loathe the most of BF.

[imported_Buzzsaw]

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In the UK we call it CQB, even in woodland areas. City/fighing it buildings we call FIBUA (Fighting in built up areas).

[Revoluti0n]

Re: CQC v CQB

In the UK we call it CQB, even in woodland areas. City/fighing it buildings we call FIBUA (Fighting in built up areas).

You all are so complicated with your long acronyms and such lol!

[18Zulukiller]

Re: CQC v CQB

In the UK we call it CQB, even in woodland areas. City/fighing it buildings we call FIBUA (Fighting in built up areas).

I didnt know that about FIBUA nice info.

[Idaeus]

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Thanks for this thread. Its been bugging me that people write CQB when they mean CQC. I knew what CQC was but i DIDNT know what CQB was. Thanks for the help mate!

[TriggerHappy2005]

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There's a lot of people that are miss using the term CQC on this forum and so i though id enlighten some of you . Sorry i cant help myself i know exacterly what you mean it's just been bugging me since day one of useing this forum. Metal Gear Solid was only a game The Boss and Naked Snake didnt invent it lol .

CQB

CQB is an acronym for Close Quarters Battles and refers to fighting methods within buildings, streets, narrow alleys and other places where visibility and maneuverability are limited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CQB

CQC

Close Quarters Combat, or CQC, is used to an up-close military hand-to-hand fighting system. CQC was created by William Ewart Fairbairn and Eric Anthony Sykes who had worked in the British armed forces and helped teach the Shanghai Municipal Police (SMP) a quick and effective and simple technique for fighting with or without weapons in melee situations.

(basically knife fighting in game)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CQC

Does it really matter? We know what they mean, so what if the wrong term is used, when the 'right' one is basically the same thing. It's not like they're calling it PTC (pie throwing contest).

[Chickenhawk]

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CQB - anything at under about 20-30 meters. Good weapons are short weapons that are easy to bring to bear, SA80, HK MP5's, sub-machine guns and also Shotguns (good for snatch shooting). Assualt weapons should be on Auto to get a good spread on the target (keeps their head down and also enhances the chance of hitting a close target).

FIBUA - Fighting in Built Up Area's, old acronym that meant just what it says attacking a village/town/city. Good weapons are short and have a high rate of fire, SA80/HK again good. Must be able to get yourself, equipment and weapon through a window or small hole blown in wall (mouse-hole). Very tireing and very expensive to commander, your supplies and ammo last a very short time and the attrition rate is huge. Be wary of IED's and Booby traps. Stacks of communication, you will be disorientated and your commander will not know your position at all times. Use dead bodies of enemy or sheets and hang out windows to show support teams that a specific room is clear. Carry stacks of water, grenades, LAW, medical supplies etc.

DIBUA - Defence In Built Up Area's - old acronym. Defending a building, sewer system, street. Good arcs of fire to cover other members of the squead/troop. Bolt holes to get out of a building under attack. Use booby traps everywhere. Chickenwire over windows so enemy can't post grenades through. Stand back from windows to observe/fire so that you are not siluetted. Fill baths and any sinks and containers with water as water supply wont last 2 seconds. Horde ammo and supplies and leave caches at key place.

OBUA - Modern acronym that is used by British Forces for DIBUA and FIBUA

[Kayback]

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FIBUA is the same as MOUT isn't it? Military ops in urban terrain?

Anyway, CQB is what I got taught as a cop. This is mainly because house clearing is what we do. Thats the enviroment we operate in. Batton's, spray, hand to hand, grapling and pistol to some extent are all CQB weapons. Even the 12 guage pump action patrol gun is a CQB weapon.

IMHO BF2 maps like Karkand, Sharki and Mashtuur are all MOUT wich rely on semi CQB styles of combat. You don't often have to do a propper room takedown in BF2. Mainly because the scale of the rooms and stuff is slighty off, there are no complex buildings, and everyone is rushig to the nearest flag anyway :)

CQB would be like a serious gunfight in the TV station of Sharki, while MOUT/FIBUA would be the Surveilance post - City entrance style of fighting.

Fairbairn and Sykes definately did some sterling close combat work, but I have noticed people "in the know" starting to use CQC interchangeably with CQB.

KBK

Edit, Bah, chickenhawk types faster than I do.

[evilzucchini]

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I am not saying you are wrong because I have never been a part of anything, IRL, where something like CQB or CQC would be used.

However, looking at the definitions, CQC seems like a perfectly fine acronym for its usage on this forum.

CQB seems more like overall strategy in tight areas. Like covering and what weapons/ammo to use. Not just two people meeting up close with weapons. It's like saying that you shouldn't have your GL out when you are in buildings because you are bound to kill yourself too.

Scanning your links, CQC was coined by the two mentioned people. However, the CQC they learned in Shanghai included a firearm.

So, if anyone is misusing the term it sounds like it is the military, not the members of the TotalBF2 forums. :)

Quick semi-offtopic correction: They learned from the SMP, not the other way around.

[Kayback]

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Personally I've always known close quaters combat to be known as CQB. It's combat you do in a close quaters enviroment.

The way I see it, and I'm afraid to say this mainly because I a stickler on some other points, you say Machinepistol, I say sub machine gun.

Different terms, same thing.

MOUT/ OBUA
Trunk/boot
hood/bonnet
glove box/ cubby hole.

Same thing, different names.

KBK

[RolandThompsonGun]

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This thread is quickly becoming FUBAR. :laugh:

[Kayback]

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Snafu

[imported_Buzzsaw]

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Yeah the UK FIBUA is the same as the US MOUT.