wish they had put that sucker in Euro Forces instead of the stupid EF-2000 Typhoon
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
Originally posted by Grey Fox
Rafale is stealthier, smaller, can be used on a carrier, carries the same amoun of weapons, better combat range, higher ceiling, is more manueverable AND has a better array of mountable weapons
please tell me how that indicates worse than the EF-2000
NOTE: Rafale looks a million times better too
(PS Did I mention that the Rafale is just as fast and that they both have supercruise?)
the ONLY way the EF-2000 is better than the Rafale in is Radar, and even then it's only slighjtly better)Comment
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
Give me my 7 minutes and 56 seconds back *******.Comment
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
A site where everyone can edit a page is not the most realible, but if you must use it.
DERA study
Britain’s Defence Evaluation and Research Agency (now split into QinetiQ and DSTL) did an evaluation (simulation based on the available data) comparing the Typhoon with some other modern fighters in how well they performed against an expected adversary aircraft, the Sukhoi Su-35. Due to the lack of information gathered on the 5th generation combat aircraft and the Su-35 during the time of this study it is not meant to be considered official.
The study used real pilots flying the JOUST system of networked simulators. Various western aircraft supposed data were put in simulated combat against the Su-35. The results were:
Aircraft Odds vs. Su-35
Lockheed Martin/Boeing F-22 Raptor 10.1:1
Eurofighter Typhoon 4.5:1
Sukhoi Su-35 'Flanker' 1.0:1
Dassault Rafale C 1.0:1
McDonnell Douglas F-15C Eagle 0.8:1
Boeing F/A-18+ 0.4:1
McDonnell Douglas F/A-18C 0.3:1
General Dynamics F-16C 0.3:1
These results mean, for example, that in simulated combat, 4.5 Su-35s were shot down for every Typhoon lost. Critics have pointed out though that it is unclear about whether today’s advanced Flankers were actually factored in. These have far more advanced radar (BARS on the MKI and MKM, with further improvements planned as Russia continues to field improved radars) and avionics than the Su-35 of that time. Plus Russia has longer range missiles currently in development, but which could be fielded by advanced Flanker variants in the future. Missiles such as the KS-172 may be intended for large targets and not fighters, but their impact on a long range BVR engagement needs to be factored in.
The "F/A-18+" in the study was apparently not the current F/A-18E/F, but an improved version. All the western aircraft in the simulation were using the AMRAAM missile, except the Rafale which was using the MICA missile. This does not reflect the likely long-term air-to-air armament of Eurofighters (as well as Rafales), which will ultimately be equipped with the superior MBDA Meteor (while carrying the AMRAAM as an interim measure).
Details of the simulation have not been released, making it harder to verify whether it gives an accurate evaluation (for instance, whether they had adequate knowledge of the Sukhoi and Raptor to realistically simulate their combat performance). Another problem with the study is the scenarios under which the combat took place are unclear; it is possible that they were deliberately or accidentally skewed to combat scenarios that favoured certain aircraft over others; For instance, long-range engagements favour planes with stealth, good radar and advanced missiles, whereas the Su-35’s alleged above-average manoeuverability may prove advantageous in short-range combat. Nor is it clear whether the Su-35 was modeled with thrust vector control (as the present MKIs, MKMs have).
Eventually, we shall not forget that the DERA simulation was made in the mid 90s with limited knowledge about the Radar Cross Section, the ECM and the radar performances of the actual aircraft : indeed, at that time, the 4th/5th generation fighters were all at the prototype stage.Comment
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
As I'm sure theyre build for a bit different purposes I believe you're simplifying the whole thing by simply claiming whos 'the best'
but, pardon me if i'm wrong:)
*looking in stats in awe*Comment
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
they should have included the panavia tornado instead of just giving the EU the F15.....Comment
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Re: Dassault Rafale Video
At least the AA doesn't dance...Comment
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