Intel's Plans

[SO19Visionaries]

Re: Intel's Plans

^ have you seen the 65nm processor by intel? they have an edge over AMD

[cheesewz]

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^ have you seen the 65nm processor by intel? they have an edge over AMD

Nope, I'm not in the market for a new box at the moment. Are they on the street yet? What are the benchmarks and reviewers (not intel) saying? If they are truly back I'll have no problem going back to an intel chipset when the time comes.

[Sir. Shpox]

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yeahh that must suck huh?

Oh yeah all the time..

[SO19Visionaries]

Re: Intel's Plans

Nope, I'm not in the market for a new box at the moment. Are they on the street yet? What are the benchmarks and reviewers (not intel) saying? If they are truly back I'll have no problem going back to an intel chipset when the time comes.

they are out in a couple of months.

[cheesewz]

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they are out in a couple of months.

They may end up being the greatest thing since sliced bread, but until they are released they are just vapor. It appears that AMD may be behind with their next-gen (AM2?) thing, but who knows. Maybe they will come out earlier than expected. They had basically pledged not to do a dual-core FX, but then they did one anyway.

I make my decision about what to buy on what is available then, not based on the future, unless it is within a couple of weeks and is a revolutionary jump, not an evolutionary one.

[LoD]

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Nope, I'm not in the market for a new box at the moment. Are they on the street yet? What are the benchmarks and reviewers (not intel) saying? If they are truly back I'll have no problem going back to an intel chipset when the time comes.

900 series dual cores are .65nm and have been out for a few months already.

[Papi4baby]

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900 series dual cores are .65nm and have been out for a few months already.

What he said. They are great proccesor, but not the AMD performance matchers, Even if intel gets a better proccessor out, AMD has the server market pretty much to itself, due to the operons. I hope that AMD has something to counter Intel, im not saying beating it, but for competition pourposes.

[LoD]

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What he said. They are great proccesor, but not the AMD performance matchers, Even if intel gets a better proccessor out, AMD has the server market pretty much to itself, due to the operons. I hope that AMD has something to counter Intel, im not saying beating it, but for competition pourposes.

AMD has the best performing most efficient scaling X86 server chip out there, but intel still controls over 80% of the X86 server market. Until 2003 AMD had zero % of the server market.

[cheesewz]

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What he said. They are great proccesor, but not the AMD performance matchers, Even if intel gets a better proccessor out, AMD has the server market pretty much to itself, due to the operons. I hope that AMD has something to counter Intel, im not saying beating it, but for competition pourposes.

I'm sure that AMD will counter anything that Intel does and vice versa. AMD has pretty much had great products all along but have done a poor job or marketing. They got caught up in the clock speed wars for awhile, then abandoned it. Consumers had come to believe that more clock speed meant more performance and AMD did a poor job of explaining otherwise. The average consumer won't get the idea of faster FSB or integrated memory controllers. They just assume that 3ghz must be better than 2.6ghz. And they certainly don't look at benchmarks or real world application testing.

Sure Intel has had dual-cores out for a few months, but they also admit their first-gen is a hackjob. They are working like mad to correct this and I'm sure they will be successful at it. When I build my next box I'll build an Intel machine if it is the best at the time. If not, I'll build whatever is.

AMD has the best performing most efficient scaling X86 server chip out there, but intel still controls over 80% of the X86 server market. Until 2003 AMD had zero % of the server market.

That is changing. AMD is really growing in that space. We've started buying Opterons and they are crushing the Xeons we already have, particularly with how well they run appservers.

[Papi4baby]

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I'm sure that AMD will counter anything that Intel does and vice versa. AMD has pretty much had great products all along but have done a poor job or marketing. They got caught up in the clock speed wars for awhile, then abandoned it. Consumers had come to believe that more clock speed meant more performance and AMD did a poor job of explaining otherwise. The average consumer won't get the idea of faster FSB or integrated memory controllers. They just assume that 3ghz must be better than 2.6ghz. And they certainly don't look at benchmarks or real world application testing.

Sure Intel has had dual-cores out for a few months, but they also admit their first-gen is a hackjob. They are working like mad to correct this and I'm sure they will be successful at it. When I build my next box I'll build an Intel machine if it is the best at the time. If not, I'll build whatever is.



That is changing. AMD is really growing in that space. We've started buying Opterons and they are crushing the Xeons we already have, particularly with how well they run appservers.

Actually i have seen a comercial for AMD in Europe, on the Eurosports network it was during the Tour the France. It was short but kind of cool, it was pretty much that they were one of the official sponsors of Tour de France.

[LoD]

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I'm sure that AMD will counter anything that Intel does and vice versa. AMD has pretty much had great products all along but have done a poor job or marketing. They got caught up in the clock speed wars for awhile, then abandoned it. Consumers had come to believe that more clock speed meant more performance and AMD did a poor job of explaining otherwise. The average consumer won't get the idea of faster FSB or integrated memory controllers. They just assume that 3ghz must be better than 2.6ghz. And they certainly don't look at benchmarks or real world application testing.

Sure Intel has had dual-cores out for a few months, but they also admit their first-gen is a hackjob. They are working like mad to correct this and I'm sure they will be successful at it. When I build my next box I'll build an Intel machine if it is the best at the time. If not, I'll build whatever is.



That is changing. AMD is really growing in that space. We've started buying Opterons and they are crushing the Xeons we already have, particularly with how well they run appservers.

Oh i agree, but AMD still faces an uphill battle. Up until the K8 and the onboard memory controller, AMD was at the mercy of Via, ALi or SiS to make chipsets for the most part. AMD did have its own chipsets, but usually only to supplement 3rd parties. Nvidia came along and had decent designs, but server chips were really only able to take off once all the "responsibility" was moved onto the CPU. hehehe Now chipsets providers do little more than hook into the hypertransport and provide USB and PCI express lanes.

That has helped the server market, and stability across the board because there is no longer an issue of unstable less reputable 3rd parties being so important to the overall stability of a system.

Even so Intel still have the total package with its chipsets mated to its CPU's and they also have the tech advantage and have always had the innovation advantage. The last 3 years we have seen a reverse, but even then Intel always moves to a new manufacturing process earlier and has always had a much larger production capacity.

Anyways... meh not sure what im trying to say.... just wanted to throw that out there. (I'm a little tired right now)