3dMark scores explained...

[aristotlewilde]

So we've all posted our scores and are constantly trying to squeeze out a few more points. Why?

I am seriously asking this and not being a tool when I ask, what exactly is 3dMark measuring? We can all play the game right?

I've fallen rey to it myself. I've sat there and watched that stupid sea monster thing a hundred times trying to score higher, when I could have been playing BF2...

p.s. 7957 is my best while still running stable. Every time I pass 8000, my system starts to bug out.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1667319

[Flanker]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

3DMark05 gives you a score based on your Frames Per Second in their tests. Its 95% GPU-dependant.

ATi has a upper hand it in, nothing to do about it.

ATi now has an even bigger upper hand in it with their Adaptive AA. Someone can enable Adaptive AA on their X1800XT or whatever, and the AA will go up and down to keep the Frames Per Second in an acceptable area. This obviously gives a higher score.

Finally, 3DMark05 is a BS piece of crap. Good Day.

[imported_Wreck]

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Finally, 3DMark05 is a BS piece of crap. Good Day.

Especially since Nvidia has the upper hand with the LOD tweaks provided in OC'ing software that basically lets the cards produce less quality to get higher scores.

[IntensivCareBear]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

theres no doubt that its completely useless and a waste of time. i have no clue why you would want higher scores rather than having fun on BF2.... uber nerd bragging rights?

seriously, on a forum like this i can say

AMD ATHLON 4800+
10 GIGS OF CORSAIR RAM
2 X 7800 GT 512 SLI
SUPER AWESOME 1000 GIG HARD DRIVE WITH 10 BILLION MEGABYTE CACHE
LIQUID NITROGEN COOLER KEEPS GRAPHICS CARDS AT ABSOLUTE ZERO KELVIN!
10 GRILLION WATT POWER SUPPLY FROM NERD INC!

and finally, 3D mark O5 score of 10 grillion! yaya for me!

really, whats the point? play BF2 and be happy. if your rigs having probs, play it on lower settings.

the whole measuring thing should go away. it means nothing and wastes time.

[lil_jimmy_norton]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

theres no doubt that its completely useless and a waste of time. i have no clue why you would want higher scores rather than having fun on BF2.... uber nerd bragging rights?


the whole measuring thing should go away. it means nothing and wastes time.

You do understand that competitiveness is a natural part of human nature, don't you. We're all competitive about certain things to a level. It's no different that racing your car, etc.

I would guess there are a lot of things that I think are useless wastes of time that you do, but whatever, you enjoy it, more power to you.

[[DC]M4guy624]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

3DMark05 gives you a score based on your Frames Per Second in their tests. Its 95% GPU-dependant.

ATi has a upper hand it in, nothing to do about it.

ATi now has an even bigger upper hand in it with their Adaptive AA. Someone can enable Adaptive AA on their X1800XT or whatever, and the AA will go up and down to keep the Frames Per Second in an acceptable area. This obviously gives a higher score.

Finally, 3DMark05 is a BS piece of crap. Good Day.

Wow... thats 100% wrong, Adaptive AA is ATI's version of transparency AA when enabled its equivelant to supersampling on an Nvidia card.

ATI is including a feature called Adaptive Antialiasing in the Catalyst release that comes along with the X1000 series. Adaptive AA is functionally similar to NVIDIA's Transparency AA. Rather than just doing multi-sample (MSAA), ATI is able to adaptively take multiple texture samples per pixel in areas that would benefit from including additional texture samples (essentially resulting in a combination of MSAA and SSAA where needed). Depending on where ATI determines it is necessary to perform multiple texture samples, poorly designed or easily aliased textures can benefit in addition to those that include transparency.

Unlike NVIDIA's Transparency AA, ATI's Adaptive AA will be available to all ATI hardware owners. How's that for value-add! This could be a very nice thing for X800/X850 series owners stuck with 1280x1024 panels. Apparently ATI has been tweaking this technology for a few years now, but held off on its introduction until this launch. The use of this feature on most older hardware won't be widespread as performance will degrade too much. In these cases, increasing resolution is almost always more effective than increasing AA quality. Here's a look at the Adaptive AA as compared to Transparency AA:

[Flanker]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

Lets the cards produce less quality to get higher scores.

Exactly what ATi is doing? Only way to get a higher score = Get more FPS. Tweaking will let you get a higher score, but that will be legitimate. Adaptive AA is hardly legitimate.

Anyways, no point. ONLY thing that matters in real-world performance.

[[DC]M4guy624]

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Exactly what ATi is doing? Only way to get a higher score = Get more FPS. Tweaking will let you get a higher score, but that will be legitimate. Adaptive AA is hardly legitimate.

Anyways, no point. ONLY thing that matters in real-world performance.

Turning on Adaptive AA would lower your score, it makes stuff look better

[imported_Wreck]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

Exactly what ATi is doing? Only way to get a higher score = Get more FPS. Tweaking will let you get a higher score, but that will be legitimate. Adaptive AA is hardly legitimate.

Anyways, no point. ONLY thing that matters in real-world performance.

No, the LOD tweaks in Nvidia OC'ing software allows for higher FPS and lower detail resulting in a higher score. Adaptive AA on ATI increases detail and lowers FPS resulting in a lower score. Nvidia has the advantage when it comes to 3Dmark.

[gsxr310]

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You do understand that competitiveness is a natural part of human nature, don't you. We're all competitive about certain things to a level. It's no different that racing your car, etc.

I would guess there are a lot of things that I think are useless wastes of time that you do, but whatever, you enjoy it, more power to you.

i w/ ^^. Just something to brag about.

[rombaft]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

3Dmark is just a benchmark and gives you an idea of the grafic power of the PC .

3Dmark lets the PC run the newest technologie that is used in games, (shader models, ....) and makes is very hard , then they look at the FPS .

also they look at the CPU power, but not for playing or rendering movies, only set for use in games.

A pc with a strong graphics card and cpu will offcourse perform better in games .

This way you could say, a pc with 8000 points will perform better then a pc with 7000 points .

BUT, this is mostly true , but not always , this because some games use diferent techniques in there engine , and also the grap card manufactures always write there drivers to perform good in 3dmarks, because they know people like them .

Also, those 3dmark scores , you don't have to take them very close, meaning, if there is only like 500 points difirence between 2 pc's , you won't realy notice it in games , but when you have a pc with 8000 points and a pc with 6000 points, the one with 8000 points will be faster over the whole line without no doubt

[Flanker]

Re: 3dMark scores explained...

Nvidia has the advantage when it comes to 3Dmark.

Typical ATi fanboy bullsh!t. If you don't know that 3DMark05 is ATi-biased, then you should go jump off a cliff and save the rest of us a whole lot of grief.

[imported_Wreck]

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Typical ATi fanboy bullsh!t. If you don't know that 3DMark05 is ATi-biased, then you should go jump off a cliff and save the rest of us a whole lot of grief.

I'm really no fanboy. I have owned and will continue to own both brands. I've owned about six Nvidia cards off the top of my head. Are you assuming it's ATI biased because ATI usually wins with each generation? What facts are you basing that assumption on?

[Sir. MatDef]

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Typical ATi fanboy bullsh!t. If you don't know that 3DMark05 is ATi-biased, then you should go jump off a cliff and save the rest of us a whole lot of grief.

Oh dear. *busts out riot shield in anticipation of flame war*

[abtomat74]

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Finally, 3DMark05 is a BS piece of crap. Good Day.

Using it to determine how much of an increase a new video card purchase gave, is a good reason to use the program.

Assuming you have the same hardware as before other than the new card.