Blackhawk "Whoring"

[TraviSavvy]

Does anyone else feel they took it out unfairly? I did it once. It requires a coordinated squad and isn't foolproof: a couple guys with PKMs and/or AT kits can take out the people inside and the chopper itself.

I thought it was cool because I like choppers a lot, and it made the transports more useful than just being cannon fodder.

[imported_mn9500]

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Does anyone else feel they took it out unfairly? I did it once. It requires a coordinated squad and isn't foolproof: a couple guys with PKMs and/or AT kits can take out the people inside and the chopper itself.

I thought it was cool because I like choppers a lot, and it made the transports more useful than just being cannon fodder.

yea, i loved the blackhawk, it could decimate the entire map, but now it suck, its like playing with an airsoft gun. they should bring back the splash damage because its almost impossible to get a direct hit with the miniguns while your moving.

[WarGimp]

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The funny thing is, people have been making noise for years about how they wanted a gunship in BF. When they got it, they rejected it.

I'm all for some restoration of the M134 (the BH's guns) as well as ramping up those on the skycow. Leaving the armour alone is fine by me, tho. Strangely, I haven't had too many problems flying hawks and avoiding getting shot down. Donno why, but I manage to keep those things aloft longer than most.

An yeah, I really do miss how the BH used to be the most flexible and teamwork focused element of the game. Many was the round where I sat at the controls of a fully maned hawk callin targets, giving instructions to the assualt team (the guys in the back who's job is to cap flags when I get 'em in position), and coming up with plans of attack on-the-fly.

Was a hella lotta fun and I'd like to see that returned to the field.

[simon1973]

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The BH was too pwerful for city maps. What the point when the game makers made sure that the singers are well away from flags. I am glad they turn down the guns on it. Although, I think its a weak when you can just about shoot it down with certain guns. I would say that lets hope they never patch it and let it be.

[LoKi.]

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While there at it they can return the damage and splash of C4 back to the way it was and return the ability of detonating it mid air above and anemy chopper they nerfed that too for some reason.

No doubt Indian scout had a hand in that when BF2RS were testing the 1.2 patch

Edit: and plz tell me why the hawk should be so badly nurfed so city map lamers dont have to hide from it, It is used on all maps not just mashtuur, so multimap players have to sufer because of city map whiners.

Take the transports out of mashtuur then and make it an Mi-28 and Cobra then you will cry like babies when the nasty Mi-28 is raping you.

[WarGimp]

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The BH was too pwerful for city maps. What the point when the game makers made sure that the singers are well away from flags. I am glad they turn down the guns on it. Although, I think its a weak when you can just about shoot it down with certain guns. I would say that lets hope they never patch it and let it be.

True that on Mash the BH was an overpowering factor... but a large part of the problem was the fact that there was nothing of comprable power on the other side. The Skycow really just couldn't compete.

I'd like to see both transports get their weapons buffed a bit. Not back to the way things were with the 'hawk, but better than now. With the armour reduction, it's not a difficult thing to bring transports down with mounted .50 call or a couple AT shots, never mind the AA emplacements.

[LoKi.]

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There was nothing wrong before, if you didnt have a good squad that could do C4 bombing on the hawk then all you had to do was go spec ops and ram the Mi-17 into the hawk with C4 Straped to it. That way 1 guy would effectivley keep 6 ppl out of the game

Once again .... for the record .... THE DAY THIS GAME WAS RELEASED THERE WASNT ANYTHING THAT COULDNT BE COUNTERED. BALANCE ASJUSTMENTS HAVE NEVER BEEN NEEDED BUG FIXES HAVE.

The reason we are where we are now is because there are too many whiners...

Look at the poor blackhawk now it used to be full and always full of action, the centre of attention and everyone loved it. Now its left all alone in the corner of the map and never gets a look in.

Im sure thet when they decided to put helicopters in mashtuur they were never intended to sit on the helipads all round.

It reminds me of the carphone warehouse advert when that poor little mobile phone that nobody wants it walking round the streets homeless

[Sir. Shpox]

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I believe it required skill, having a full squad of engi's all the time you play isn't exactly easy, and there's many a rammer out there. Just remember the other transport helicopters suck interms of the power the BH had. I just say leave it but make it really weak.

[Chowley]

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Ya exactly a crap blackhawk crew could be taken down in a couple of seconds by anyone that has been playing the game more than 3 weeks. I really miss it anyway. The nerf of the blackhawk hasnt helped engineer either.

[Marveric]

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The BH should have splash back, and the other helis should get AP rounds to counter it

[ConscriptVirus]

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i do indeed miss BH whoring on mastuur city..helped my score alot..but then from the other point of view.. i no longer fear the BH...i just ignore it..

[Chowley]

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I actually liked the apprehension that came with a blackhawk trying to kill you. Mash just feels quite boring now without it. Songhua was better off with it as well.

[WarGimp]

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One of the odder thought I've had on a way to blance the skycow with the old 'hawk would be to replace it's guns with these:

AGS-30 Automatic Grenade Launcher System

http://warfare.ru/?lang=&linkid=2087&catid=278

Round VOG-17, VOG-17M, VOG-30
Sight PAG-17, optical
Muzzle velocity, m/s 185
Sighting range, m 1,700
Rate of fire, rds/min 400
Overall dimensions, mm 360 x 500 x 1,100
Weight with mount without ammunition box, kg 16 ±0.5
Fire unit, rds 90

Video link: http://warfare.ru/?linkid=2087&catid=278&video=true
Give 'em a fast overheat time and a limited range and they could be a perty funky weapon to balance with the M134's deadly direct fire.

[Chowley]

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They would probably be like firing a GL from the back of a blackhawk if EA decided to do that. Therefore end up worse than the current guns :p.

[PHPT]

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THERE WASNT ANYTHING THAT COULDNT BE COUNTERED. BALANCE ASJUSTMENTS HAVE NEVER BEEN NEEDED BUG FIXES HAVE.

The ability for something to be countered does not make it balanced. Give me a pistol with one bullet and put me up against some guy with a chaingun and a flamethrower. I guess I counter him by aiming for his head, so that makes it balanced. Not.

Let's see, on Mashtuur you get two well-balanced forces, on a map totally revolving around ground combat, but one side gets a rapidfire noob cannon that instantly clears a spawn point and the other gets a 50-cal that I've seen kill one person ever.

The Black Hawk can have its old chaingun back when the Aircow gets an IGLA in the back seat.