I was thinking about teamwork.

[parish]

I have seen so many people complain about things in here and I noticed one underlying thread no one has touched on that I could see.


Everyone complains about this person doing this and that, but no one ever posts threads about tips on being a good team player. They post tips on how to do something specific, but what about winning the round as a team?

It just occurs to me that if there is one thing that bothers me in the game it's the lack of team mentality between players. It seems like everyone is out for themselves and this is the number one reason why even if you own at flying or driving or whatever, it doesn't matter because if you lose the round, then you did not do enough to help your team win it. If you do not attempt to take a flag during a round, you have not helped your team. The only way to win is to control the flags and if you’re sitting on your butt on top of a hill or hiding in the bushes, you’re not helping. Driving by your teammates at full speed off to face the enemy alone serves no purpose.

I understand you may be in a squad. But, if you never spawn on your squad leader or listen to him when he asks for help, then what’s the point? Some of the best games I have even played had a sense of cohesiveness in the team and we did very well. I may suck at certain kits, but I try to pick the one that helps the most. At for tanks, Medic for heavy fights etc. etc.

If you’re commanding and your UAV is not going all the time, you're not helping your team. Drop supplies and keep your arty and UAV healthy. Ask for repairs if you can't drop a supply box. The goal is to show your team where the enemy is. Help them secure flags by dropping a UAV and covering the area when they try to take a flag or defend one. Do something.... anything.... to earn the double points you’re going to get if your side wins. If you command because you can’t get points on your own in battle, then you should get the boot. I hope they release a patch that drops idle commanders in the next patch.

I just think if people put as much focus into playing as a team as they do at getting ranks and medals, we could take the game to the next level and really enjoy it. The badges, medals, ribbons and ranks will come eventually even if you’re not focused on them. Even if you lose the round, I guarantee you will have more fun getting into the fight as a group than standing on the sidelines.

In the end, win lose or draw, the game is worth playing if we work together.

[imported_Psycho]

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To be honest if i kill 40 people to 1 or 2 deaths i think i have put in my bit, as that is nearly 1/7 of the tickets from the whole round that i have got rid of, if the rest of the team can't get rid of the ones remaining then i can't help taht they suck.

It basically saying here you go you start with a 40 ticket advantage e.g. 260 tickets where as the other team starts with 298, then theres the fact by destroying the teams vehicles you are hindering there progress.

However i agree that if you are a pilot adn you fly around for the whole round and get 2 kills to 10 deaths then you should go do something else as you arn't helping your team in anyway.
But if someone is good at something and are helping the team, like a pilot destroys vehicles and people on the ground, or a sniper can cover other people from long distances and spot ect. ect. then they should carry on doing that as there will be always someone who is good at going round taking flags and it is far better for the specilised people to do what they specilise at rather than wasting the abilities while running round on the ground getting killed every 2 minutes because they really don't no how to do what they are trying to do.
Each to there own, unless you are specifically needed for example say you play medic most of the the time but your outpost is about to get taken by a tank and you get killed, you should re-spawn at that outpost as spec ops or anti-tank to kill it as long as there arn't people alreay there killing it.

[parish]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

To be honest if i kill 40 people to 1 or 2 deaths i think i have put in my bit, as that is nearly 1/7 of the tickets from the whole round that i have got rid of, if the rest of the team can't get rid of the ones remaining then i can't help taht they suck.

I get your point, and I am by no means denying the benefit of having a good pilot in the air. It does suck when they are the only one doing anything while the rest of the team wait for him to die so they can fly.

It's just one of those things. If the 4 or 5 people hopping around the airfield spawned at a flag or on a squad leader taking a flag, the game would be more fun. Gulf Of Oman is a good example. I cannot tell you how many times we have had 1 flag as USMC and instead of others spawning at it to spread out, they die and hang out on the carrier waiting for something to fly. It makes it that much harder on those of us who try to get control points and have to do it alone.

[imported_Psycho]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

I get your point, and I am by no means denying the benefit of having a good pilot in the air. It does suck when they are the only one doing anything while the rest of the team wait for him to die so they can fly.

It's just one of those things. If the 4 or 5 people hopping around the airfield spawned at a flag or on a squad leader taking a flag, the game would be more fun. Gulf Of Oman is a good example. I cannot tell you how many times we have had 1 flag as USMC and instead of others spawning at it to spread out, they die and hang out on the carrier waiting for something to fly. It makes it that much harder on those of us who try to get control points and have to do it alone.

It pretty stupid doing that, considering pilots like me will come down maybe once or twice in a round and then will go back and get the plane straight away so no one else is going to have a chance to get it, and before someone else comes along and goes you whore, does it look like i give a shít it is far better to have a pilot who will take out the enemy team twice over than one who will take off and crash into the floor before killing anyone.

I can't see the point in spawning on the carrier or at an airbase unless it is the start of the round or you know something that you want is there or is going to spawn there soon.

I normally go in a plane on maps where there is one, but if there isn't i have perfectly good fun on the ground, i am a pretty good team player if i want to be but i normally find my team is so stupid, and just repeatedly runs at the same outpost and dies over and over again when there is a perfectly good undefended out post the other side of the map

Some people don't seem to understand that every outpost is worth 1 there arn't some special ones that are worth more because 3/4 of the enemy team are shooting you from it.

The only time you attack them is for points and yeah i am all for attacking them to get the points, but then you get the dumbasses who just run at them shooting and die, then respawn and do it again, what is the point.

If you can't whore a vehicle, whore a class, preferable medic or support as they give most points, but then even though your are like an Uber team player your just get called a medic whore or something.

So go walk up to the guy calling you a whore and shoot him in the face as he will probally using a pistol or something because he thinks killing lots of people and getting a high score makes you a whore.

Hm.......that was along ramble.

[Digital-Boy]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

Is going 40-and-1 in a plane really saying you did enough for your team? I just played a round of Wake 2007 earlier today and captured the airfield in the first five minutes of the game with a loaded BH. Where were the J-10s when that happened? Guess.

[Warbird_7]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

It just occurs to me that if there is one thing that bothers me in the game it's the lack of team mentality between players. It seems like everyone is out for themselves and this is the number one reason why even if you own at flying or driving or whatever, it doesn't matter because if you lose the round, then you did not do enough to help your team win it.

An excellent point that I completely agree with.

When BF2 introduced the persistant global stat tracking and ranking system, it became a double-edged sword. On one hand, it encouraged good play by keeping track of accuracy, team points, etc. On the other hand, it made players somewhat selfish. BF2 became, in some aspects, a contest as to who could get the best stats or highest rank.

If you do not attempt to take a flag during a round, you have not helped your team.

Well, I respectfully take exception to this statement. Capturing flags (while important and essential to winning as you later state) isn't the only way to help your team win. A sniper, for instance, can cover a squad advancing on a flag thus helping them to capture it. Even though he was not laying prone next to the flagpole with the squad, he still helped capture it via his efforts (note that there is a balance to this; he may get more kills by covering the squad, but he won't get the credit for the capture of the flag itself).

Driving by your teammates at full speed off to face the enemy alone serves no purpose.

I have to take exception to this one as well. Whenever I get the chance, I grap a transport helicopter (regardless of what it is), pick up a squad, and start running them to the enemy's flags. I usually get no kills this way, but I am swiftly and efficiently moving my team around the map to capture strategic points. They are the ones getting the points, not me. And I don't say this using the tone of a martyr; I really do enjoy this type of work. Just because someone doesn't actively reduce the other side's tickets doesn't mean they don't contribute.

I understand your point, however, to be those who wrecklessly drive their vehicles into certain destruction; taking down all those with them in the vehicle as well. I fully agree with you on this.

I may suck at certain kits, but I try to pick the one that helps the most. At for tanks, Medic for heavy fights etc. etc.

Just because you may suck at the kit doesn't mean that it would be useless for you to use that kit if the situation called for it. It doesn't matter how good of a medic you are if a tank is advancing on your position; and visa versa, it doesn't matter how good of an anti-tank you are if all your infantry teamates are dropping like flies covered with DDT.

If you’re commanding...The goal is to show your team where the enemy is. Help them secure flags by dropping a UAV and covering the area when they try to take a flag or defend one.

I find it quite amusing when people complain about how commanders "spam" spot someone. Guess what? If he [the commander] is having to "spam" spot someone, that means no one is doing anything to take care of it! He is responsible for helping you maintain a good sense of where your enemy is, and you are responsible for dealing with the enemy once found!

I just think if people put as much focus into playing as a team as they do at getting ranks and medals, we could take the game to the next level and really enjoy it. The badges, medals, ribbons and ranks will come eventually even if you’re not focused on them. Even if you lose the round, I guarantee you will have more fun getting into the fight as a group than standing on the sidelines.

In the end, win lose or draw, the game is worth playing if we work together.

This last point almost brings tear to my eyes. Yes! The point of playing this game is to be a team player, not to "earn" medals or get that next rank advancement. I promise, if you are a team player then the medals, badges, or whathaveyou will come in due course in addition to the immense respect you will have earned from your fellow players.

By the way, parish, this was worded much better than your thread relating to "whores". I applaude your diplomatic language.

[parish]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

I have to take exception to this one as well. Whenever I get the chance, I grap a transport helicopter (regardless of what it is), pick up a squad, and start running them to the enemy's flags. I usually get no kills this way, but I am swiftly and efficiently moving my team around the map to capture strategic points. They are the ones getting the points, not me. And I don't say this using the tone of a martyr; I really do enjoy this type of work. Just because someone doesn't actively reduce the other side's tickets doesn't mean they don't contribute.

I understand your point, however, to be those who wrecklessly drive their vehicles into certain destruction; taking down all those with them in the vehicle as well. I fully agree with you on this.

No, you got my point exactly. I was refering to people who drive off in an empty vehicle and don't grab teammates. You said you grab peeps and go, that is exactly what I think should be done. It's when you go screaming by someone in an empty vehicle and don't slow to pick them up that hurts the situation. I have been one of 4 or 5 people running along a hillside and watch a car go screaming by empty and just keep on truckin.

By the way, parish, this was worded much better than your thread relating to "whores". I applaude your diplomatic language.

Ty.

[Warbird_7]

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No, you got my point exactly. I was refering to people who drive off in an empty vehicle and don't grab teammates. You said you grab peeps and go, that is exactly what I think should be done. It's when you go screaming by someone in an empty vehicle and don't slow to pick them up that hurts the situation. I have been one of 4 or 5 people running along a hillside and watch a car go screaming by empty and just keep on truckin.

Oh! Okay, gotcha.

Yeah, I did misunderstand you. I agree with you one hundred and ten percent. It seems such a waste to have one person manning a vehicle that can seat five...

[Coderedpl]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

For that reason you should join the 31st MEU
Thats all we do is teamwork.

Yes IT SUCKS WHEN everybody is running off alone
IT SUCKS when you request a pickup and u get ran over or just left alone

Sound good?
Then

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43373

[parish]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

For that reason you should join the 31st MEU
Thats all we do is teamwork.

Yes IT SUCKS WHEN everybody is running off alone
IT SUCKS when you request a pickup and u get ran over or just left alone

Sound good?
Then

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43373

If that offer was for me, then no thank you. I am quite happy with the clan I am in and get plenty of teamwork from my own guys. My guys understand what is expected and play that way when they are there.

[WarGimp]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

I'm just gonna chime in with a "Good thread" comment.
Good thread.
:p

Definatly playing good teamwork brings this game up to whole new levels. I simply don't understand why so many people seem to be allergic to it.

[FearedSniper.AE]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

An excellent point that I completely agree with.

When BF2 introduced the persistant global stat tracking and ranking system, it became a double-edged sword. On one hand, it encouraged good play by keeping track of accuracy, team points, etc. On the other hand, it made players somewhat selfish. BF2 became, in some aspects, a contest as to who could get the best stats or highest rank.




Well, I respectfully take exception to this statement. Capturing flags (while important and essential to winning as you later state) isn't the only way to help your team win. A sniper, for instance, can cover a squad advancing on a flag thus helping them to capture it. Even though he was not laying prone next to the flagpole with the squad, he still helped capture it via his efforts (note that there is a balance to this; he may get more kills by covering the squad, but he won't get the credit for the capture of the flag itself).



I have to take exception to this one as well. Whenever I get the chance, I grap a transport helicopter (regardless of what it is), pick up a squad, and start running them to the enemy's flags. I usually get no kills this way, but I am swiftly and efficiently moving my team around the map to capture strategic points. They are the ones getting the points, not me. And I don't say this using the tone of a martyr; I really do enjoy this type of work. Just because someone doesn't actively reduce the other side's tickets doesn't mean they don't contribute.

I understand your point, however, to be those who wrecklessly drive their vehicles into certain destruction; taking down all those with them in the vehicle as well. I fully agree with you on this.



Just because you may suck at the kit doesn't mean that it would be useless for you to use that kit if the situation called for it. It doesn't matter how good of a medic you are if a tank is advancing on your position; and visa versa, it doesn't matter how good of an anti-tank you are if all your infantry teamates are dropping like flies covered with DDT.




I find it quite amusing when people complain about how commanders "spam" spot someone. Guess what? If he [the commander] is having to "spam" spot someone, that means no one is doing anything to take care of it! He is responsible for helping you maintain a good sense of where your enemy is, and you are responsible for dealing with the enemy once found!





This last point almost brings tear to my eyes. Yes! The point of playing this game is to be a team player, not to "earn" medals or get that next rank advancement. I promise, if you are a team player then the medals, badges, or whathaveyou will come in due course in addition to the immense respect you will have earned from your fellow players.

By the way, parish, this was worded much better than your thread relating to "whores". I applaude your diplomatic language.

Um what country are you from WARBID_7?

[Warbird_7]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

Um what country are you from WARBID_7?

That's an...unusual question. I'm from the United States, why do you ask?

By the way, PM me with your response (if you so choose) so we don't clog up this thread with off topic posts =)

[FearedSniper.AE]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

Cause half the comments you have put are smart and thats how I like it and I asked it because I wanted to play with you.

[vbl]

Re: I was thinking about teamwork.

I think the biggest challenge for most players is figuring out how they can apply their talents and preferred activities to the team's goals.

We always say "teamwork" and "team player" but these are never conclusively defined to a level of detail that anyone could utilize. When is a given kill or action good for the team vs bad for the team vs inconsequential? How is it measured?