Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[vidh]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

It's just a game guys, get a girl or something.

That program sucks! :rofl:


... ehm, sorry about that. I think I'll be leaving now...

*Sneaking out through the back door*

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

The 'Vehicle-Lite' ranked map option was posted in the DICE feedback forum here:

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83529

and a DICE employee has reponded to it twice.

Let me clarify somewhat. No changes to anything other than replacing the following vehicle spawns should be made for a ranked 'Vehicle-Lite' option to ALL maps:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Repalce AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopters with Transport Helicopters

That's it. Its pretty simple and would breed new life into EVERY map. To be honest I would play maps that I don't play often if they had this option; as it stands now I pretty much only play Karkand.

Imagine playing Wake Island 2007 with 3 Blackhawk spawns on the carrier? Or Gulf of Oman with 2 Heavy Jeep spawns at the Airfield.

See what makes BF2 are the vehicles. This separates BF2 from all the other games because they implemented vehicles that were balanced and had checks. No need to have a mode that has 2x hp...all that does it make Medics godly and Engineers useless. I would definiately play on ranked servers that had ALL maps in rotation with this 'Vehicle-Lite' option.

Do you want to spawn on the Dalian Plant USMC carrier when there's only 4 RIBs for your entire team of 64? No. But if there were 4 RIBs and 3 Blackshawk helicopters then it wouldn't be so bad, would it?

I'm not saying to remove the non-ranked Infantry-only option as implemented in the 1.40 BETA, but I am suggesting adding a ranked 'Vehicle-Lite' option.

[imported_matgn03]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

If you want infantry only mode, the solution is simple.. Counterstrike. Better engine, better weapon balance, better net code, better hit-detection. Of course, far more cheaters than you'll ever encounter in BF2, but if this idea goes through as is the only cheat you'll need to 1.4 is to run a squad of medics on an infantry only server.

Just as important, the Battlefield series defining characteristic is vehicle and infantry interaction. Battlefield without vehicles is like cereal without milk, it just doesn't make sense. Without vehicles (and to a lesser extent commanders, class balance ect..) Battlefield 2 is nothing more than a mediocre shooter.

Better engine? Could source handle jets, choppers, tanks, boats, cars, etc the way the bf2 engine does (Play garry's mod - the answer is no)? Better hit detection? HAve you played cs:s recently?

Mediocre shooter? The thousands of ppl devoted to groundpounding and the hundreds of 24/7 karkands seem to contradict that.

But other than that, your points about IO are very interesting (although more likely a WORST case scenario)- lets hope it doesn't come to that.

[GSG9xSNIPER]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

SIMPLE SOLUTION--- Don't play on INFANTRY ONLY SERVERS. Go play on your tank & plane whore servers. The vast majority of people don't like to get slaughtered to death on two city maps like Mastuur and Strike at Kirkand. Thats why they should be Infantry only maps because its so unbalanced.

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

You need medics, so what if there are 64 of them running around, guess what, its harder you get more kills, your score jumps through the roof and your kept alive no matter what.

This, I'm afraid, to me represents the whole motivation for IO. So many players are so hungry for points that nothing else matters, nothing.

To me the large number of options open at any time is the great thing about BF. If the day ever came when the only options are spawn, shoot, heal, revive, then I'll be throwing in the game completely.

IO may not kill the game, but it will certainly divide the community in two. There'll be the point hungry IO crowd who used to play only Karkand, Mashtuur, and Sharqi. Then there'll be the rest.

It's pretty sad that people want a cut down version of the game simply for the high SPM. I remember when we used to play for fun.

[Retuner]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

This, I'm afraid, to me represents the whole motivation for IO. So many players are so hungry for points that nothing else matters, nothing.

To me the large number of options open at any time is the great thing about BF. If the day ever came when the only options are spawn, shoot, heal, revive, then I'll be throwing in the game completely.

IO may not kill the game, but it will certainly divide the community in two. There'll be the point hungry IO crowd who used to play only Karkand, Mashtuur, and Sharqi. Then there'll be the rest.

It's pretty sad that people want a cut down version of the game simply for the high SPM. I remember when we used to play for fun.

haha I get a SPM already above 3 with the normal battlefield.
so Iám one of the higher infrantry scoring players out there on the normal game mod

The 'Vehicle-Lite' ranked map option was posted in the DICE feedback forum here:

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83529

and a DICE employee has reponded to it twice.

Let me clarify somewhat. No changes to anything other than replacing the following vehicle spawns should be made for a ranked 'Vehicle-Lite' option to ALL maps:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Repalce AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopters with Transport Helicopters

That's it. Its pretty simple and would breed new life into EVERY map. To be honest I would play maps that I don't play often if they had this option; as it stands now I pretty much only play Karkand.

Imagine playing Wake Island 2007 with 3 Blackhawk spawns on the carrier? Or Gulf of Oman with 2 Heavy Jeep spawns at the Airfield.

See what makes BF2 are the vehicles. This separates BF2 from all the other games because they implemented vehicles that were balanced and had checks. No need to have a mode that has 2x hp...all that does it make Medics godly and Engineers useless. I would definiately play on ranked servers that had ALL maps in rotation with this 'Vehicle-Lite' option.

Do you want to spawn on the Dalian Plant USMC carrier when there's only 4 RIBs for your entire team of 64? No. But if there were 4 RIBs and 3 Blackshawk helicopters then it wouldn't be so bad, would it?

I'm not saying to remove the non-ranked Infantry-only option as implemented in the 1.40 BETA, but I am suggesting adding a ranked 'Vehicle-Lite' option.

you still spam your way around.

I see your post so what in every IO topic

[Mr Pmosh]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

The io is very unbalanced. You can get like 150 points being sniper in 32 players round. This mode only benefit knife and pistol servers. IO was for the clan matches, but those are unranked. Anyway, already read a lot of post asking for vehicles because it don't work. If they give jeeps give the tanks and everything else. If people dont like jets play city maps.

[VC_Resurrected]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I think Infantry only mode is a brilliant idea, i've been praying for it since i got the game and i couldnt give two ****s about whining armour whores. This is a blessing for squads and teamplay, and for people who arent afraid to get their hands dirty and work together on the ground. I'm sure there'll be plenty of servers running normal battlefield so why get your frilly little pink j-10 panties in a bunch over it?

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

This, I'm afraid, to me represents the whole motivation for IO. So many players are so hungry for points that nothing else matters, nothing.

To me the large number of options open at any time is the great thing about BF. If the day ever came when the only options are spawn, shoot, heal, revive, then I'll be throwing in the game completely.

IO may not kill the game, but it will certainly divide the community in two. There'll be the point hungry IO crowd who used to play only Karkand, Mashtuur, and Sharqi. Then there'll be the rest.

It's pretty sad that people want a cut down version of the game simply for the high SPM. I remember when we used to play for fun.

So you dont want infantry only for the sole reason it gives infantry the chance to get a higher score than you and your saying they are just hungry for points? What kind of crack are you smoking? Personally I dont give a crap about points, I just dont want to drive across a giant map like dragon valley only to get raped by some whore who doesnt even bother looking at the top left to see whether he got a kill or not. All the while I get to drag my crusty *** back across the map only to have the same thing happen, fun fun!

And dont tell me to just stick to karkand and mashtur because im not gonna let some **** in a plane ruin my fun because he is afraid of losing some points in an online video game.

[HowieMandel]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Vehicle freaks hate the idea.
Unfortunatly based on the numbers......they are the minority. Dice knows this.......hence the work on infantry only type play.
Besides it is a server option.......not to worry.

Im infantry.....i hate vehicle whores.
Vehicle whores hate infantry.
In dc, all these plane whores wanted their own map. DC made one. It was about the lowest played map ever. At first, cuz it was new it got alot of gameplay. However it died quickly.
Point is...........well you figure it out.

But as infantry I do enjoy hunting copters down, hunting planes and armor. So i could care either way. ALthough 9 out 10 times a plane/chopper/armor almost always ruins a good firefight between squads.

[eastcoasthandle]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

then why don't they add this idea in to the beta 1.4 patch? What' makes adding these ideas to a open beta so hard...are they that lazy?

[Mr Pmosh]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Vehicle freaks hate the idea.
Unfortunatly based on the numbers......they are the minority. Dice knows this.......hence the work on infantry only type play.
Besides it is a server option.......not to worry.

Im infantry.....i hate vehicle whores.
Vehicle whores hate infantry.
In dc, all these plane whores wanted their own map. DC made one. It was about the lowest played map ever. At first, cuz it was new it got alot of gameplay. However it died quickly.
Point is...........well you figure it out.

But as infantry I do enjoy hunting copters down, hunting planes and armor. So i could care either way. ALthough 9 out 10 times a plane/chopper/armor almost always ruins a good firefight between squads.

Ok so if you like infantry, this patch have a new city map. A map just for you. Why you want to benefit the stat padders? You know that EA put in the BFROE that no server can limit the use of vehicles or arty. Is because is unbalance and is not fair for the other servers.

This mode is not for all the maps is not for all infantry clases. It only benefit medic, support, sniper thats it. What kind of game is this? You accuse plane whores and tank whores but using those vehicles to make kills is ok and that is how you suppose to play the game. All the maps are designed for vehicles. Why instead they make the new map without tank and make some new maps without vehicles. They dindn't have to change everything to a gameplay mode. Why a mode of gameplay if it doesn't work in some maps? This doensnt work and is unfair for the infantry that play in regular bf2 with vehicles. This mode will unbalance the stat and the comunity.

If this go on ranked they should change the stat system to be like:
1: IO get less points
2: Regular bf2 with vehicles the infantry get more points.

There's got to be some balance in the stats.

[imported_Sim]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Better engine? Could source handle jets, choppers, tanks, boats, cars, etc the way the bf2 engine does (Play garry's mod - the answer is no)? Better hit detection? HAve you played cs:s recently?

Mediocre shooter? The thousands of ppl devoted to groundpounding and the hundreds of 24/7 karkands seem to contradict that.

But other than that, your points about IO are very interesting (although more likely a WORST case scenario)- lets hope it doesn't come to that.

BF2 engine not doing a good job handling jets/tanks,choppers.boats, cars etc.
Just look at the hitboxes and other issues with BF2, also look at fast moving vehicles bug.

Got to love how a tank cannot drive over a wooden fence or it gets pushed away by a freaking Jeep. (over 20 ton tank being pushed around by a VW bug lol)

Atleast in Counter-Strike:Source if you shoot someone in the head with awp or scout it will kill them in one shot.
Counter Strike was never made to handle vehicles, all the maps are made for Infantry only unlike the maps in BF2.

DICE is smoking something good if they think people will love running on foot across 64 map size maps.

The reason most people dont bother with the beta is cause theres NO BUG fixes in it yet, whats the point beta testing a freaking mod?
Look at the release notes for Beta Ver.2 , you see any bug fixes in it?
Nope you dont, so whats the point of testing something that 90% of the community doesn't give a rats *** about?
(they already had a fix for CTD over a month ago so it doesn't count as a bug fix for open beta)

Vehicle freaks hate the idea.
Unfortunatly based on the numbers......they are the minority. Dice knows this.......hence the work on infantry only type play.
Besides it is a server option.......not to worry.

Im infantry.....i hate vehicle whores.
Vehicle whores hate infantry.
In dc, all these plane whores wanted their own map. DC made one. It was about the lowest played map ever. At first, cuz it was new it got alot of gameplay. However it died quickly.
Point is...........well you figure it out.

But as infantry I do enjoy hunting copters down, hunting planes and armor. So i could care either way. ALthough 9 out 10 times a plane/chopper/armor almost always ruins a good firefight between squads.

What ruins games is morons who dont know what teamwork is or people who dont know about the freaking mini map.
You would be surprised at how many idiots playing AF that dont know how to use the ladders to get enemys off the roof.

I dont mind seeing the Infantry only, i probably wont play but what i dont like seeing is DICE spending all its time in this open beta messing with IO instead of working on bugs and other issues.

[[DICE]CKMC]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Another heated debate. :)

So the no vehicles option will be exactly that. BF2 without any vehicles, with only the sprint meters changed to help with foot travel across long distances. Though I do agree that playing a 64 player sized map is a bit silly. 32 player map with 64 players is much more to my personal taste.

As far as the division of time. The focus of the team is almost entirely on bug location and fixing. Improving stability for both the server and client is the #1 priority for this patch. Any gameplay adjustments falls low on the list after bug fixing.

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Another heated debate. :)

So the no vehicles option will be exactly that. BF2 without any vehicles, with only the sprint meters changed to help with foot travel across long distances. Though I do agree that playing a 64 player sized map is a bit silly. 32 player map with 64 players is much more to my personal taste.

As far as the division of time. The focus of the team is almost entirely on bug location and fixing. Improving stability for both the server and client is the #1 priority for this patch. Any gameplay adjustments falls low on the list after bug fixing.

We appreciate that, but have you considered making a 'Vehicle-lite' or 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option?

Why make a mode that can't be played on all maps of all sizes for all kits? Granted, playing 16-player sized mapped with IO is ok, but anything larger is pretty silly unless you're playing Karkand, Sharqi or Mastuur (have you tried playing IO on 32 or 64 player sized Zatar Wetlands...its 70% running).

Why not:

'Vehicle-lite' ranked map option:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopters with Transport Helicopters

AND/OR 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option:
Same as above except the transport vehicles have their guns removed.




In the modes above ALL maps of ALL map sizes and ALL kits will still be played. Heck, I would play maps other than Karkand, Sharqi and Mastuur if those modes were created.

You probably have noticed that 80% of the playerbase play mosting on Karkand. The reason we like that map is that flags are relatively close and we don't have helicopters and jets to worry about. See we don't like running and having to wait to get into the action, especially now that squad hopping was disabled.

By keeping transport vehicles in for both sides all the maps won't be unbalanced. Have you played Dalian Plant in IO? What happens is US takes all three flags before China even gets to the first flag. Since US has boats they have access to flags much faster than those on foot from the Chinese main base. If transport vehicles were left in then there wouldn't be this unbalance. Also, Chinese SpecOps have never been able to distroy US assets. US having boats on Wake is the same...they can get to any flag much faster than Chinese...its unbalanced.

There are plenty of counters to transport vehicles...TOW, AA guns, AT rockets, AT mines, grenade launcher, grenades or just sustained fired. They are not unbalanced. The game was designed around vehicles, why unbalance it? We are not asking for CS:Source. If you really wanted a pure IO, another expansion pack with maps specifically designed for infantry only should be made.

By removing all vehicles the game we see primarily Medics/Support/Snipers and a few Assault. I think of all the games I've played I saw like 2 Anti-tank and 1 Engineer.

I wouldn't mind having 'Supply-line' ranked map option either...would be more fun than Conquest mode.


Please consider 'Vehicle-lite' and/or 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map options.