Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

[poisonsoul]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

I don't understand the point everyone is going crazy over this.

From what I understand it simply says you can't join a squad while dead and immediately spawn on squad leader, for your first spawn. However, after your first spawn, you can then spawn as much as you want to on your squad leader.

Which seems fine for me.

I almost never spawn on my squad leader, if I want to be by him I find the closest spawn point, so that I can pick up a vehicle and join up with him. No sense walking when I can grab a tank, APC, or chopper at a spawn point and take it over to my squad leader.

And if you so badly want to spawn on squad leader, after 1.3 patch is released, how about this, join the squad while dead, spawn on a point, suicide. Then spawn on your squad leader.

[Penci|]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

I don't understand the point everyone is going crazy over this.

From what I understand it simply says you can't join a squad while dead and immediately spawn on squad leader, for your first spawn. However, after your first spawn, you can then spawn as much as you want to on your squad leader.

Which seems fine for me.

I almost never spawn on my squad leader, if I want to be by him I find the closest spawn point, so that I can pick up a vehicle and join up with him. No sense walking when I can grab a tank, APC, or chopper at a spawn point and take it over to my squad leader.

Never played in a clan match for BF2 huh? Just because it won't change pubbing, doesn't mean it won't drasticly change the competitive community. Which is why we are asking that this be a server choice and have the ability to enable and disable it on our unranked match servers.

[Paas]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

Never played in a clan match for BF2 huh? Just because it won't change pubbing, doesn't mean it won't drasticly change the competitive community. Which is why we are asking that this be a server choice and have the ability to enable and disable it on our unranked match servers.

You cannot just adjust to the game mechanics and learn new strategies?

I mean, is the competitive community "THAT" set in their ways? ..., "Everyone uses the same script like strategies. If anything changes that mold, lose ya' freakin' minds!"

I just don't understand it all. It's a simple change to stop a 3rd-Party-App. boosted function that EA/Dice never intetended to be in place. You all exploited it for a while in your matches, now you will no longer be able to expoit it. Just buckle down and figure out different ways to push and assault and win. I truely expected a bit more, "Adapt and Overcome" from the competitive community. I surely didn't expect, "Watch an expoited tactic be removed and panic!"

{WP}Paas

[Penci|]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

Why does that matter?

This is tossed about like some sort of insult, but the reality is that being a member of a clan and/or taking games seriously are perty geeky things to do. I have nothing against geeks (self described geek right here), but it's not like a badge of honor or anything.

Look, it wasn't mean as an insulf of any kind. If I wanted to insult someone I you would have known it. All I'm saying is that this change is not going to affect the pub community very much at all, but it will affect those of us who compete in this game. Which is why we would like it to be a server setting.

Trying going to a bar and picking up a hot young lass based on your clan matches. I'm willing to bet you won't get very far. :p

Please, just because geeks for the most part are socialy inept, doesn't mean that I'm a big enough moron to try and pick up a girl by talking BF2 to her. My GF knows that I compete in a videogame and doesn't care, but it's not like BF2 is a topic of conversation in our daily lives.

[Red Devil]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

I'd be happy if they made everything a server option. Not everyone plays the same way, so making BF2 as customizable as possible would really do wonders.

Some server option suggestions (probably been made before):

Kit Types Allowed: 1-All (All-Sniper sessions anyone?)
Vehicle Types Allowed: 0-All
Aircraft Types Allowed: 0-All
Destructable Assets: 0-All
Squad Hopping: (Y/N)
Paratrooper Spawn: (Y/N)

[Penci|]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

You cannot just adjust to the game mechanics and learn new strategies?

I mean, is the competitive community "THAT" set in their ways? ..., "Everyone uses the same script like strategies. If anything changes that mold, lose ya' freakin' minds!"

I just don't understand it all. It's a simple change to stop a 3rd-Party-App. boosted function that EA/Dice never intetended to be in place. You all exploited it for a while in your matches, now you will no longer be able to expoit it. Just buckle down and figure out different ways to push and assault and win. I truely expected a bit more, "Adapt and Overcome" from the competitive community. I surely didn't expect, "Watch an expoited tactic be removed and panic!"

{WP}Paas

3rd party app? What are you talking about? No the competitive community is not "that" set in its ways. We will adapt to whatever garbage DICE chooses to throw at us. It's just BS that this has been in game since day 1 and now it's this big giant issue. Yet there are still huge bugs left in this game that have not been addressed.

If DICE is set on changing this then so be it. I'll adapt and that will be that. But I would love to have a game that doesn't feel like its still in beta testing almost a year after release.

[poisonsoul]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

Never played in a clan match for BF2 huh? Just because it won't change pubbing, doesn't mean it won't drasticly change the competitive community. Which is why we are asking that this be a server choice and have the ability to enable and disable it on our unranked match servers.

I've taken out an entire squad that were also all clan members with just AT rockets and my DAO-12. Just being a lonewolf.

I didn't need help or even get any help. So there's no damn change for me. If a squad or clan (too bad for those damn fools) thinks that squad hopping will help them I'll be there with my P90 or DAO-12 and teach them not to spawn.

The clan tried to kick me, but my team had my back covered. Just because I was on a vendetta against the clan.

[sknight]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

I'd be happy if they made everything a server option. Not everyone plays the same way, so making BF2 as customizable as possible would really do wonders.

Some server option suggestions (probably been made before):

Kit Types Allowed: 1-All (All-Sniper sessions anyone?)
Vehicle Types Allowed: 0-All
Aircraft Types Allowed: 0-All
Destructable Assets: 0-All
Squad Hopping: (Y/N)
Paratrooper Spawn: (Y/N)

that's fine for unranked servers, but with ranks you have to make it fair. People playing infantry on a Jet map will score less than people playing infantry on an infantry map.

[Penci|]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

I'd be happy if they made everything a server option. Not everyone plays the same way, so making BF2 as customizable as possible would really do wonders.

Some server option suggestions (probably been made before):

Kit Types Allowed: 1-All (All-Sniper sessions anyone?)
Vehicle Types Allowed: 0-All
Aircraft Types Allowed: 0-All
Destructable Assets: 0-All
Squad Hopping: (Y/N)
Paratrooper Spawn: (Y/N)

Can't do that because the BFROE police would shut your ranked server down for trying to have fun and play the way you want to play.

[poisonsoul]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

I'd be happy if they made everything a server option. Not everyone plays the same way, so making BF2 as customizable as possible would really do wonders.

Some server option suggestions (probably been made before):

Kit Types Allowed: 1-All (All-Sniper sessions anyone?)
Vehicle Types Allowed: 0-All
Aircraft Types Allowed: 0-All
Destructable Assets: 0-All
Squad Hopping: (Y/N)
Paratrooper Spawn: (Y/N)

There should also be a mass suicide button that just kills everyone and blows up the server. :nerr:

[evilzucchini]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

Can't do that because the BFROE police would shut your ranked server down for trying to have fun and play the way you want to play.

Penci|,

Noone is stopping you from playing the way you want to. The problem is the ranking system. If you want to play within the ranking system, you have to play by the ranking system's rules. If these rules didn't exist every server would set it up that every kill would count as 10 kills, every revive would count as 10 revives, 3 resuplies and 2 repairs. They HAVE to rules for the rankings.

However, if you want to play your way I am sure there are plenty of server side variables that you can set up and play on your computer. However, if you want your stats to be recorded, you have to play by their rules.

[imported_xRandoMx]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

Good change.

If you can't adapt, pick a new game.

Those of us who can will be happily pleased with this change which enhances the squad dynamic and will introduce new tactics accordingly.

The clanmatch argument I keep seeing is pretty funny. Both sides are playing by the same rules, doesn't matter if you're clan or pub. Adjust, adjust, adjust.

[Paas]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

3rd party app? What are you talking about?

T.S. and Vent. are bother "THIRD PARTY APPLICATIONS"!. You need them to be effective as squad hopping because you need to be able to verbally communicate outside of the scope of the in game VOIP system; that's what I'm talking about.

No the competitive community is not "that" set in its ways. We will adapt to whatever garbage DICE chooses to throw at us. It's just BS that this has been in game since day 1 and now it's this big giant issue.

If you and your kind wouldn't have expoited the darn thing in public play more of the "pubbers" wouldn't have had ANY idea it existed. You did, they know, they complain, they form the majority of the base for this game, you don't, it gets changed. Simple, cut, and dry.

Yet there are still huge bugs left in this game that have not been addressed.

This is a common misconception. Do you not understand how many lines of code and work go into a game? Do you not understand how hard it is to find that one "not dotted 'i' " and fix it? Let alone figure out what causes "bugs" in the first place? It's not an overnight thing. I'm 100% sure Dice knows of all of the bugs, and is working on them. Problem is, they are very hard to replicate and even more difficult to fix without "breaking" other things. So, to say somthing as insane as ,"Not addressing bugs from day 1" is silly. They are addressing them everyday as we speak, the bugs are just currently kicking their behinds.

...crafty little buggers those bugs

If DICE is set on changing this then so be it. I'll adapt and that will be that. But I would love to have a game that doesn't feel like its still in beta testing almost a year after release.

...wait wait wait. So, them "FIXING" somthing they think is an "EXPLOIT" of the mechanics in place is a sign of extended beta? Hell... do you not want patches anymore? I mean, every game company drops patches here and there knowing full well that with human error it's impossible to get somthing "perfect" the first time. No matter how many hours of testing and retesting you commit to the task. I think you need to lighten up chap. Adapt and Overcome. If you have a problem with it... continue to complain, that's your right. I just think your complaints are silly and childish.

{WP}Paas

[evilzucchini]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

If you and your kind wouldn't have expoited the darn thing in public play more of the "pubbers" wouldn't have had ANY idea it existed. You did, they know, they complain, they form the majority of the base for this game, you don't, it gets changed. Simple, cut, and dry.

WP Paas,

Do you have any evidence that they are changing this because people are complaining?

Truthfully, I hear no complaining, relatively, about squad hopping. If they based their changes solely on complaints there would be countless changes that would happen before this one.

I think what is more reasonable is that it was brought to their attention, maybe through a complaint and maybe not, and they thought that this was an exploit of the system that they intended and now they are fixing it.

[imported_Gergnoodle]

Re: Patch V1.3 at BFCON - squadhopping still removed

wow lotsa big paragraphs in here some hurt feelings too

group hug everyone

just be glad they dont take awya the respawn completely ie die once and thats it no more play till end of map (ameiricas army anyone)