Dalian servers with no seatswitching/soloing rule

[Sparabara]

I realise there are lots of topics on soloing/seatswitching but I need to rant.

Why do so many servers (especially dalian only) have the no seatswitching rule? This is the most retarded rule I've ever seen, especially for a dalian only server. I can understand if someone wants to gun then you can't tk/redline to get the chopper alone, but a lot of these servers won't let you solo even if there's no available gunner. *******es they are, especially for putting this rule in a dalian server. Dalian servers are known for having lots of chopper people, and enforcing a no soloing rule in basically what is a chopper server is just plain retarded. A few days ago I kept server hopping betwen dalian only servers only to be kicked each time for seatswitching. ****ing retards. The admins warn you first and say "NO SEATSWITCHING ALLOWED". Then you respond, "well none of my 7 teammates want to gun for me." They respond "THATS YOUR PROBLEM"
Dumb ****s they are, truly.

[MIKEHUNT-UK]

They pay you play!

Just find a server with the “no seat-switching rule”.

[=98=]

True. If it wasn't popular, the server would be empty.

They pay for the server, you abide by their rules.

[Sparabara]

We are not disputing the organizational hierarchy of these servers. We are disputing this specific rule and whether it makes any sense or not.

[MIKEHUNT-UK]

Well it makes a lot of sense to them! just move on.

[GrossKopf]

Yeah, you're not going to get much sympathy here. The standard reply is "Find another server".

[Nicfurious29]

"Dalian servers are known for having lots of chopper people"

If what you say is true then why is it so hard to find a gunner??

Like everyone else stated....find another server.

[waaah_wah]

Its retarded, but theres nothing you can do......

[Sloi sauce]

I realise there are lots of topics on soloing/seatswitching but I need to rant.

Why do so many servers (especially dalian only) have the no seatswitching rule? This is the most retarded rule I've ever seen, especially for a dalian only server. I can understand if someone wants to gun then you can't tk/redline to get the chopper alone, but a lot of these servers won't let you solo even if there's no available gunner. *******es they are, especially for putting this rule in a dalian server. Dalian servers are known for having lots of chopper people, and enforcing a no soloing rule in basically what is a chopper server is just plain retarded. A few days ago I kept server hopping betwen dalian only servers only to be kicked each time for seatswitching. ****ing retards. The admins warn you first and say "NO SEATSWITCHING ALLOWED". Then you respond, "well none of my 7 teammates want to gun for me." They respond "THATS YOUR PROBLEM"
Dumb ****s they are, truly.

Simply put, they're afraid of pubstars like me and cynic. We leave the area looking like mirrored glass and they don't like the reflection. It's just another way of forcing their own playing style onto others in order to increase their odds in an artificial, controlled environment. Some would say that's what soloers do, but that's a topic for another day.

I solo anyway and tell them to kick/ban me if they feel the need to, as I don't willingly follow arbitrary rules some d*ckface made up.


They pay you play!

Just find a server with the “no seat-switching rule”.

That's a slippery slope. Better watch out, wouldn't want you to hurt yourself...

[imported_DOGGiE52]

Check the server's IP against some geoip. I bet a few bucks it's german. And if it really is german, you know where the retarded admins, retarded rules and the retarded gameplay comes from. I say, get some serverlister-software and rule out servers from Germany and you'll find yourself with 95% less servers but SO MUCH BETTER ONES.

[MIKEHUNT-UK]

That's a slippery slope. Better watch out, wouldn't want you to hurt yourself...



Meaning?

[Sloi sauce]

Part of the fun in this exchange is letting you figure it out. :)
I really shouldn't spoil you by making it too explicit...

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

Simply put, they're afraid of pubstars like me and cynic. We leave the area looking like mirrored glass and they don't like the reflection. I


:yay::yay::yay:

Last night ruled so hard. Let's do it again.


I think sloi and I combined for a 90-7 kill/death ratio in 2 rounds on dalian last night. I tved 4 jets. The leetness was out of hand.

[Sloi sauce]

I don't remember ever having to hand out so many boxes of tissue. I need to order a lot more for next time...

[imported_DOGGiE52]

Me and skag had some hardcore fun on kubra and oman a few hours ago :) . 60-4 or maybe 55-5... TVed two jets only.

[imported_kiwi]

:yay::yay::yay:

Last night ruled so hard. Let's do it again.


I think sloi and I combined for a 90-7 kill/death ratio in 2 rounds on dalian last night. I tved 4 jets. The leetness was out of hand.

I'd like to see how well you'd do on dalian if you play against 2 skilled jet pilots who concentrate on helis :) You being USA side.

[waaah_wah]

^^Now hes gonna talk about how great he is and how he can TV jets and bla bla bla....:rolleyes:

[imported_kiwi]

The thing is that Dalian is the most one sided map, no airports to capture (not like Dragon/Wake) :) USA have to fight 2 J10s and 2 helis! That's a nightmare for USA if you ask :)

[waaah_wah]

All you need is skilled infantry squads;)

[predragjanjic]

24\7 V| Dalian Plant


need to update it tho

[Skaggy]

Me and skag had some hardcore fun on kubra and oman a few hours ago :) . 60-4 or maybe 55-5... TVed two jets only.

That round of oman was one of the best I've had in a long time.

Tickets were like 150 - 290 in favour of the opposition, and we won 12-0!

[{USI}_DirTyDeeDs]

Many servers with rules like this are put in place to adjust the play style to the advantage of the server owners, hence what Sloi stated is true. It's close to legal stat padding.
I would rather have a gunner, but I do not like to be limited when no gunners are present. I would do it until warned.

I am mostly an anti vehicle ground-pounder on Dalian that caps and defends flags, if it werent for guys like me, the chopper pilots would have a hard time winning.


fyi -My favorite chopper to fly for soloing is the Hind (SF) :evil:

[Rock_FU]

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I would rather have a gunner, but I do not like to be limited when no gunners are present. I would do it until warned.




Assuming they actually warn you. You can get away with it as long as you dont solo an admin.

[Blud]

Simply put, they're afraid of pubstars like me and cynic. We leave the area looking like mirrored glass and they don't like the reflection. It's just another way of forcing their own playing style onto others in order to increase their odds in an artificial, controlled environment. Some would say that's what soloers do, but that's a topic for another day.

I solo anyway and tell them to kick/ban me if they feel the need to, as I don't willingly follow arbitrary rules some d*ckface made up.



That's a slippery slope. Better watch out, wouldn't want you to hurt yourself...

One question, do you pay for and own your own server for the game?
If so stay there and set up the server rules you like, if not purchase one and run it the way you like. Just another Whine Whine Whine thread.

If not, play on servers that allow solo or get over it as well as yourself.
Any one who purposely ignores the rules just to pi$$ off the servers is a bigger wipe than the people running the server as well as less mature than many of the ten year old server admins out there.

No solo rules rock!

[Rugerdog]

It's pretty much impossible for a soloer to take out large amounts of infantry, so even with a soloer owning the skies, the enemy could still be out capping most of the flags on foot. And don't argue about your 1337 rocket skillz, you cannot even attempt to argue that taking out infantry with the tv/rockets is as efficient as using the chain gun, especially since lining up your rockets leaves you open for an AT missile.

[Skaggy]

Solo chain-gun?

[Rugerdog]

Not easy to do or effective. The chopper spins too much for any extended chain gunning.

[Skaggy]

I can get a second or two of continuous fire, enough to down a few infantry before repositioning.

I'm sure the pros could do better.

[Rugerdog]

My whole argument is it is a lot easier to do that with a pilot and gunner.

[Skaggy]

My whole argument is it is a lot easier to do that with a pilot and gunner.

And I completely agree with you.

But a soloer is still able to perform the same tasks.

[Rugerdog]

Edit: ok enough I think my point is made

[Sloi sauce]

It's pretty much impossible for a soloer to take out large amounts of infantry, so even with a soloer owning the skies, the enemy could still be out capping most of the flags on foot. And don't argue about your 1337 rocket skillz, you cannot even attempt to argue that taking out infantry with the tv/rockets is as efficient as using the chain gun, especially since lining up your rockets leaves you open for an AT missile.

If we take out all armored threats, that leaves our team's armor and infantry against their infantry... and you want us to do that for you as well? Here, hold my hand, I'll take you to the f*cking flag and capture it for you as well.

Jesus Christ, guys. :laugh:



If not, play on servers that allow solo or get over it as well as yourself.
Any one who purposely ignores the rules just to pi$$ off the servers is a bigger wipe than the people running the server as well as less mature than many of the ten year old server admins out there.

No solo rules rock!

It's a matter of principles: I don't follow arbitrary rules set forth by an administrator looking to legally pad his own stats by forcing others into his preferred style of play.

Would you follow a server rule stating something along the lines of "you may not use the grenade launcher attachment on your assault kit" ? Don't be a f*cking hypocrite: you'd either nag the admin into kicking you or do the same thing I do, which is ignore the stupid rule and proceed as if it didn't exist.

Soloing only sucks if you can't do it.

[waaah_wah]

Sloi, if you dont agree with the server rules, simply dont play there. Nobody is ****ing forcing you to go on that server

[Blud]

I


It's a matter of principles: I don't follow arbitrary rules set forth by an administrator looking to legally pad his own stats by forcing others into his preferred style of play.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

Servers can set their own rules within limits set by EA. Just because solo is not allowed does not in anyway suggest stat padding by the admin. How do you reach that conclusion? I suggest that solo pilots are using an exploit to padd their stats. Soloing is an exploit that was over looked by EA. Those that do it are using an exploit (and most likely keybinds and macros as well) that Dice could have fixed easily by not allowing the chop to take off unless 2 people present and once in the air, seat swapping is disabled.

"Would you follow a server rule stating something along the lines of "you may not use the grenade launcher attachment on your assault kit" ? Don't be a f*cking hypocrite: you'd either nag the admin into kicking you or do the same thing I do, which is ignore the stupid rule and proceed as if it didn't exist."

What a completey stupid thing to suggest!!!!!!!!!! That just wouldn't happen, it isn't an exploit, it would be against EA server rules, and using a launcher doesn't ruin the game for others. Nothing hypocritical about it!!! And Yes, if it happened I would just move on to another server, because doing it your way would make me a hypocrite. Your two options to solve the problem show your immaturity and that you are only there to cause trouble until you get you way or kicked (and hopefully a permanent ban as well).


BTW what about the info on your server??? Got one?? Going to pay for one?? Use your 'principles' to set one up.

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

Soloing isn't an exploit either. They wouldn't have put buttons in to switch positions in vehicles if that wasn't supposed to be possible. Shut the hell up.

Everybody that whines about soloers are people that aren't any good at all in the chopper. Anybody who is any good doesn't mind soloing. It's just a way to give noobs a slight chance of getting a kill.

[Chris_Redfield]

I suggest that solo pilots are using an exploit to padd their stats. Soloing is an exploit that was over looked by EA. Those that do it are using an exploit (and most likely keybinds and macros as well)

Wait, let me mute my bullsh!t detector, as its waking up the entire neighbourhood.

And Waaah, "switching the server" may not be an option if youve got 3 to choose between, and its the last one youre not banned from. Unless of course, you fancy playing IO Karkand, while knowing that you love a certain vehicular aspect.

[predragjanjic]

Wait, let me mute my bullsh!t detector, as its waking up the entire neighbourhood.



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[waaah_wah]

Well, then get a copilot

[Sloi sauce]

What a completey stupid thing to suggest!!!!!!!!!! That just wouldn't happen, it isn't an exploit, it would be against EA server rules, and using a launcher doesn't ruin the game for others. Nothing hypocritical about it!!! And Yes, if it happened I would just move on to another server, because doing it your way would make me a hypocrite. Your two options to solve the problem show your immaturity and that you are only there to cause trouble until you get you way or kicked (and hopefully a permanent ban as well).


My contention is that preventing people from soloing IS against EA server rules. We could go into the reasons why I and many others believe this to be true, but frankly, I think it would fly over your head. If you'll excuse the pun...

[imported_kiwi]

Seatswitching exloit? rofl :p Then changing positions in bomber, tank, apc and jeep is exploit too? :laugh:

[Blud]

My contention is that preventing people from soloing IS against EA server rules. We could go into the reasons why I and many others believe this to be true, but frankly, I think it would fly over your head. If you'll excuse the pun...

And mine is just the opposite.

And BTW where is that server that you admin and pay for. You keep ignoring the question.


Seatswitching exloit? rofl :p Then changing positions in bomber, tank, apc and jeep is exploit too? :laugh:
Planes and Chops--yep. Dice was just too lazy to program it properly and too stupid to realise the exploit they created.


Sloi, if you dont agree with the server rules, simply dont play there. Nobody is ****ing forcing you to go on that server


Basically that is exactly what I am saying, but he likes to stay and hassle the admin because he doesn't like the rule. He should just leave and purchase a BF2 server so he can make the rules.


Wait, let me mute my bullsh!t detector, as its waking up the entire neighbourhood.

And Waaah, "switching the server" may not be an option if youve got 3 to choose between, and its the last one youre not banned from. Unless of course, you fancy playing IO Karkand, while knowing that you love a certain vehicular aspect.


Damn, if you can't find a server to play because of your bans you would have had to pee off a lot a people. Hell that senario could never never. That is what I would say is complete bull$h!t. Only 3 servers left to play beside I/O because of ban--now my BS alarm is going off.

[signa]

It's pretty much impossible for a soloer to take out large amounts of infantry, so even with a soloer owning the skies, the enemy could still be out capping most of the flags on foot. And don't argue about your 1337 rocket skillz, you cannot even attempt to argue that taking out infantry with the tv/rockets is as efficient as using the chain gun, especially since lining up your rockets leaves you open for an AT missile.
It's not so much impossible as much it is a matter of ammo. Even with expert accuracy a solo'er is going to need to resupply from time to time and that leaves him vulnerable to being capped out by infantry.

[Sloi sauce]

Seatswitching exloit? rofl :p Then changing positions in bomber, tank, apc and jeep is exploit too? :laugh:

Well, of course! Didn't you know?

Simpleton logic at its finest. :laugh:

Dice has had several patch opportunities to remove it and haven't done so. Furthermore, they've made it so pilotless helis drop after ~4 seconds: exactly the time needed to switch, fire to maximum distance, and switch back.

I don't think it's a coincidence, but rather a nice, subtle way of saying "you have our blessing to pwn these whining fagg0t nubs".

If they were really concerned with removing soloing, don't you think they would've made pilotless helis drop instantly? Think about it and stop f*cking crying about soloers.

[CQ-Reborn]

I don't mean to offend any chopper reliant but situations like this are really what separate the men from the mice. An infantry player thats good can do good on the ground, and hop into the helicopter when the situation arises and do alright as long as they keep the field in a 3D perspective. Put 99.9% of the heliwhores on the ground and they fight as good as someone from Halo.

[[Expletive Deleted]]

Well, of course! Didn't you know?

Simpleton logic at its finest. :laugh:

Dice has had several patch opportunities to remove it and haven't done so. Furthermore, they've made it so pilotless helis drop after ~4 seconds: exactly the time needed to switch, fire to maximum distance, and switch back.

I don't think it's a coincidence, but rather a nice, subtle way of saying "you have our blessing to pwn these whining fagg0t nubs".

If they were really concerned with removing soloing, don't you think they would've made pilotless helis drop instantly? Think about it and stop f*cking crying about soloers.


Yeah, they even put out another whole GAME after people whined about seatswitching. In BF2142 you can STILL solo the gunship. Obviously they don't care. If they thought it was an exploit they would have patched it out. Even if they hadn't patched it out you think they would have made it impossible in their next game. Since they have not, the point is moot.
We had a discussion a while back about how it broke the AA lock on vehicles with no driver. They DID fix that in one of the patches. They removed the exploit that existed and left soloing otherwise alone. There really is no logical argument against soloists anymore.
Now, BEFORE they fixed the AA bug, I was one of the more vocal opponents of soloing. Now that it's fixed the issue is over. DICE/EA either don't care or have blessed off soloing. In all vehicles.
As my dad told me when I wrestled in high school: "Either get better or quit, b!tching won't get you anywhere."

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

^^^

Agreed.


Everybody that whines should just get better. There's no other solution. It's not our fault you're bad. Go practice.

[Rugerdog]

My contention is that preventing people from soloing IS against EA server rules. We could go into the reasons why I and many others believe this to be true, but frankly, I think it would fly over your head. If you'll excuse the pun...
From EA ROC http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7422
"Server Administrators may implement and enforce rules that result in minor changes to game play behavior or styles as long as these are clearly stated before a player starts playing on a server. These rules typically introduce minor or limited restrictions on how a certain aspect of the game can be used, but do not create or promote an environment that would allow abuse of the scoring/award system. Examples of such rules that are acceptable are:

* Limiting movement of combat assets, such as Titans, Ships, Aircraft and Vehicles during game play. – Disallowing all aircraft for example is not acceptable.
* Disallowing repeated main base camping/attacking of un-captureable bases. However, in such cases, attacking the base with reasonable intent to take out assets (artillery, command outpost or radar) are acceptable
* Limiting the use of artillery, or any other single commander asset to a particular region of the map."

As far as I can tell, soloing is indeed covered by this so spend your energy that you waste on complaining and just find a new server.

[[Expletive Deleted]]

From EA ROC http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7422
"Server Administrators may implement and enforce rules that result in minor changes to game play behavior or styles as long as these are clearly stated before a player starts playing on a server. These rules typically introduce minor or limited restrictions on how a certain aspect of the game can be used, but do not create or promote an environment that would allow abuse of the scoring/award system. Examples of such rules that are acceptable are:

* Limiting movement of combat assets, such as Titans, Ships, Aircraft and Vehicles during game play. – Disallowing all aircraft for example is not acceptable.
* Disallowing repeated main base camping/attacking of un-captureable bases. However, in such cases, attacking the base with reasonable intent to take out assets (artillery, command outpost or radar) are acceptable
* Limiting the use of artillery, or any other single commander asset to a particular region of the map."

As far as I can tell, soloing is indeed covered by this so spend your energy that you waste on complaining and just find a new server.

That is broad enough to disallow using bombs from jets. So if you don't kick people for using jets, just kick them for using bombs, it's ok? Also, it says you can limit artillery use to a region of the map. I guess that means admins can say you can only arty your own uncap, huh?

Hey, go big or stay home. If you want to make stupid rules to prohibit stuff you don't like, why stop at soloing? Hell, it does't say you can't limit firing modes on weapons, either. I want to see a server that says you have to single-shot everything. No auto or burst allowed. Oh, and no claymores except in front of your own air assets allowed, either. I hate getting killed by claymores. And no sniping from inside of 500m. I hate snipers, too. Oh, oh yeah, and jets aren't allowed to shoot at AA emplacements with their guns, either. Those guys have practiced too much and shoot me from beyond view distance all the time.
I bet almost all of you said, "those rules are retarded, you can't enforce that." According to the ROE I can. It's written like a damned UCMJ manual, open to admin interpretation. And retarded.

[Chris_Redfield]

Damn, if you can't find a server to play because of your bans you would have had to pee off a lot a people. Hell that senario could never never. That is what I would say is complete bull$h!t. Only 3 servers left to play beside I/O because of ban--now my BS alarm is going off.

Ahem... It sucks when I have to do all the thinking for you.

Consider it this way. In your immediate surroundings, youve got X ammount of servers that play with a decent map rotation, and play with vehicles. (which means that we dont take the Korean BF2 servers into account because we dont like to play with a ping of 400). Out of these servers, a whole Y lot have stupid rules that specifically prohibit playing the game the way I like it (soloing, fighting commanders, baseraping), or where admins are known to be abusive, or kicking for the slightest reasons. Out of remaining Z number of servers, a limited number of C meet all terms, but Im banned from B of them, because the admins either think Im cheating, or they fabricated another reason to get rid of me. And now Im at the last one.

Contrary to popular belief, BF2 does not have hordes and hordes of servers to play on. Considering the massive ammounf of IO, or Kockrand servers, you get a selection of "normal" ones with a decent rotation, but those are distributed in a scarcer scale and you have to still choose by ping.

As for you asking if Sloi pays for his server. If youre paying for your own private space to be a jackas5, then you deserve all the heat you can get.

[imported_DOGGiE52]

The biggest issue here is the question of WHY can KIDS have servers at all? KIDS are the people who whine, KIDS are the ones who kick you for killing them, KIDS are the people who pull out their banhammer way too often!

To be honest I think 95% of all servers I've been banned from for being too good has had underaged admins.

[Chris_Redfield]

A ban button can be abused just as much by a 40 year old, even more abused.

Since the majority of videogamers are between ~20~40 years old, you can bet that the champ who hits the ban key, is often not a kid anymore.

Sad.

[Rugerdog]

That is broad enough to disallow using bombs from jets. So if you don't kick people for using jets, just kick them for using bombs, it's ok? Also, it says you can limit artillery use to a region of the map. I guess that means admins can say you can only arty your own uncap, huh?

Hey, go big or stay home. If you want to make stupid rules to prohibit stuff you don't like, why stop at soloing? Hell, it does't say you can't limit firing modes on weapons, either. I want to see a server that says you have to single-shot everything. No auto or burst allowed. Oh, and no claymores except in front of your own air assets allowed, either. I hate getting killed by claymores. And no sniping from inside of 500m. I hate snipers, too. Oh, oh yeah, and jets aren't allowed to shoot at AA emplacements with their guns, either. Those guys have practiced too much and shoot me from beyond view distance all the time.
I bet almost all of you said, "those rules are retarded, you can't enforce that." According to the ROE I can. It's written like a damned UCMJ manual, open to admin interpretation. And retarded.
Point is that if its not actually stat padding or k/p EA doesn't give a s**t so complaining here is only going to get you sympathy from the solo chopper whores, who are a small and largely egotistical minority.

[Webs961]

According to EACS (We asked back when Total RoE was still around), no soloing is a rule which can be implemented at the discretion of the server administrator.

No reprieve for the soloers, I'm afraid.

[Rugerdog]

There we go, end of argument (I hope).

[sava700]

According to EACS (We asked back when Total RoE was still around), no soloing is a rule which can be implemented at the discretion of the server administrator.

No reprieve for the soloers, I'm afraid.

The implementation of it is going against the ROE itself... your limiting use of a vehicle for a player if you don't allow them to use it in anyway they can use it..

This would be the same as if I was in a tank and you have a server admin say I couldn't switch seats to use the top gun.

Regardless if you think that is stupid to say, its true.

Bottom line is the admins that don't allow it are afraid of the players that would own them doubled up on their own server..ran into it many times.

I just find a server that doesn't have that stupid "no solo flying" rule and continue to own the noobs :)

[imported_DOGGiE52]

Servers who allow soloing are getting fewer and fewer.

I know a few people who own such servers, mostly running a setup of 16 players on a 64p Dalian, one of the best spots to solo on. And if you can't find any ranked ones you can always go on CLU or chopper mayhem.

[Sloi sauce]

Hmmm, noted. I'll have to check those two out: are they well populated or is it only something like a handful of people at a time?

[Skaggy]

Chopper mayhem has normally got a few chopper whore in it. I'm suprised I've never seen more TBF2 members on. It is in Europe, though.

Skaggeh + Doggeh ownage.

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t47/tHe-kOok/screen074-1.png

[waaah_wah]

Hm.. Are you sure its in Europe? Last time i was on i had ping of around 150...

[Skaggy]

http://www.game-monitor.com/GameServer/81.166.125.19:16567/Battlefield.no_04_Chopper_Mayhem.html

I'm sure, Scandinavian actually.

http://www.game-monitor.com/GameServer/81.166.125.19:16567/Battlefield.no_04_Chopper_Mayhem.html

[waaah_wah]

Maybe my router was just messed up then;) Ill try to go on right now actually. Well in 10 min or so

[Skaggy]

I think I shall join also, anyone else up for it? :D

[Blud]

LOL OWNED :)

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

=LH= > Chopper Ownage

CLU has been dead for months.

[predragjanjic]

=LH= > Chopper Ownage

CLU has been dead for months.


full of scrubs^^^


played there last night, they thought I was you :rolleyes:


some idiot started spawn rapin once he saw he couldn't do **** to me

[imported_bigpappa]

I realise there are lots of topics on soloing/seatswitching but I need to rant.

Why do so many servers (especially dalian only) have the no seatswitching rule? This is the most retarded rule I've ever seen, especially for a dalian only server. I can understand if someone wants to gun then you can't tk/redline to get the chopper alone, but a lot of these servers won't let you solo even if there's no available gunner. *******es they are, especially for putting this rule in a dalian server. Dalian servers are known for having lots of chopper people, and enforcing a no soloing rule in basically what is a chopper server is just plain retarded. A few days ago I kept server hopping betwen dalian only servers only to be kicked each time for seatswitching. ****ing retards. The admins warn you first and say "NO SEATSWITCHING ALLOWED". Then you respond, "well none of my 7 teammates want to gun for me." They respond "THATS YOUR PROBLEM"
Dumb ****s they are, truly.

yes u are a rere, this is a team game, if u want to solo play single player.

[Sloi sauce]

Waaaaaa! Waaaaaaaaa! Sloi is soloing and he's too tough to handle, someone please kick him!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Oh my god admin, Cynic and Pred are soloing too!!!! THEY HAVE A TV HACK AIMBOT CHEAT!!! KICK THEM NOW! F*cking cheater scum!


Adapt or die, fagg0ts. http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/jerkit.gif

[Rugerdog]

Wow whose the mature one on this, the admin who just enforces the rules he is given or the soloer who whines like a baby when he is deprived of his only means of enjoyment in this diverse game?

[Sloi sauce]

You can choose to believe that limiting the way people are entitled to play is mature, but some of us see through your bullsh*t and call it out when we recognize it. Soloers are a convenient target by virtue of their small numbers, but believe me, they're not going away: you have a lot of kicking to do, mr. arbitrary man ;)

[Rugerdog]

You're not getting my point. If you get on a no-soloing server, either switch servers or find something else to do, there are plenty of vehicles out there you know. Complaining to the admins or on the forums like this is not going to change the rules on that server. It has already been stated that this does not violate the ROC, so just let it go.

[Sloi sauce]

And you're not getting mine: you can't prevent me from using an asset in the same way that you can't prevent me from using the grenade launcher on the assault rifle.

I don't care that EA allowed this little loophole for admins to abuse of. The fact is, soloing is legit and we'll keep on doing it regardless of rules by authorities we don't recognize.

Would you stop wearing jeans because your government suddenly declared it illegal? If you answer in the affirmative, you will have told me everything I need to know about you.

You're probably the same kind of pushover male who would relinquish his right to bear arms in the name of illusory safety, simply because a supposed person of authority has declared that you no longer possess the right to defend yourself from attackers.

You can't neuter my chopper: I'll keep doing it, and consequences be damned.

[waaah_wah]

Well, when you are not folowing rules, you shouldnt really be bitching about being banned should you..?

[Sloi sauce]

Well, when you are not folowing rules, you shouldnt really be bitching about being banned should you..?

Should one follow rules he knows to be unjust? This has profound implications and consequences. Think about it... I know this is asking a lot, considering the venue and all, but make an effort to see the bigger picture and you'll eventually gain some appreciation for our position.

It's very interesting that we've arrived at this point around MLK day. He stated something along the lines of "one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws". An unjust law is no law at all, so says St-Augustine...

What are your thoughts on this, if you have any?


"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law".

"Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is... a prison".

[L3adcannon]

It`s a ****ing game, jesus.
If you find a server unjust, find a server that is just. Bitching and moaning isn`t gonna change the way people run their servers.

[Chris_Redfield]

It`s a ****ing game, jesus.
If you find a server unjust, find a server that is just. Bitching and moaning isn`t gonna change the way people run their servers.

If it was that simple, sure.

Server parametres:

-Within 1500 kilometres
-All or most maps rotation
-No 24/7 map rotation, no citimaps exclusive
-64 player sized maps
-Ranked*
-Must be populated

I found 4 servers, and if I were to prefer FF-ON (which I do), the numbers would go down.

And "bitching and moaning" has little to do with results and changes. These are forums, and youve done your fair share of complaining and arguing yourself. Thats not the point, at all.

[L3adcannon]

I got owned :(

But the way Sloi talks about unjust and just is kinda rofl, like his life depends on it.

[Chris_Redfield]

Sloi is trying to insert some sense into his arguments. I wouldnt use the whole concept of "legal" or "illegal". Id stick to the reasons why certain rules are being implemented. Theres a whole lot of grey area between black and white, but in most cases, rules are set because the admins/clanners are too archaic in their view on the game, and are trying to limit everyone else so they would be playing on their turf.

For example, baseraping rule. Certain servers have their crews set up this rule not because shooting jets and choppers down on the runway is unfair. They make this rule so that both teams had something to fight for, in order to get to "rape" the main. While it may not necessarily bring in any more points, the incentive to work harder to "get to the gold" is one of the most motivating sights.

On the flipside we have admins that implement this, and a whole boatload of rules because they "can" and "want to". You can see them constantly b!tch about whatever is going down and use their administrators functions in a derogatory manner.

Sloi is simply trying to fight the "intellectual" war to make the other side of the argument realise that they are wrong. Nothing wrong with that, these are forums, afterall.

I stopped taking these kind of admins seriously a long time ago. Playing in COD4 servers which disallow GL use while admins themselves use it means that asshattery is unlimited.

EDIT: Im willing to bet that if admin asked Sloi nicely and politely, and explained the reasons why such rule exists, Sloi wouldnt feel half as bad about the kicking. Or he would drop soloing.

[waaah_wah]

Should one follow rules he knows to be unjust? This has profound implications and consequences. Think about it... I know this is asking a lot, considering the venue and all, but make an effort to see the bigger picture and you'll eventually gain some appreciation for our position.

It's very interesting that we've arrived at this point around MLK day. He stated something along the lines of "one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws". An unjust law is no law at all, so says St-Augustine...

What are your thoughts on this, if you have any?


"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law".

"Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is... a prison".

Go cut yourself or something... This bitching is getting annoying

[ElFipso]

Should one follow rules he knows to be unjust? This has profound implications and consequences. Think about it... I know this is asking a lot, considering the venue and all, but make an effort to see the bigger picture and you'll eventually gain some appreciation for our position.

It's very interesting that we've arrived at this point around MLK day. He stated something along the lines of "one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws". An unjust law is no law at all, so says St-Augustine...

What are your thoughts on this, if you have any?


"An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law".

"Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is... a prison".


Hahaha, that's the point where everybody should abandon this threat.
What is just?
What is unjust?
Who are you to decide?
Who decides it anyway?
Bible?
Koran?
Politics?
You?
Me?


And I thought BF2 was just a game :laugh::dead:

[imported_DOGGiE52]

This is getting tiring. Sloi, you don't have to prove anything to people who can't cope with higher skilled players. This conversation is just annoying tbh.

[Sloi sauce]

It`s a ****ing game, jesus.
If you find a server unjust, find a server that is just. Bitching and moaning isn`t gonna change the way people run their servers.

It's not just about the game, this kind of bullsh*t crosses over into the "real world", whatever that is. You have to start somewhere, and I figure if we can't fix that kind of problem in something as simple as a game, the world as a whole doesn't stand a chance.

Typical reactions, though: the one person that makes the intelligent, backed up post gets laughed at. I don't know why I was expecting anything else...

[ElFipso]

It's not just about the game, this kind of bullsh*t crosses over into the "real world", whatever that is. You have to start somewhere, and I figure if we can't fix that kind of problem in something as simple as a game, the world as a whole doesn't stand a chance.

Sure, how fix it if there are always some smarta$$es thinking they are right when they break the law, just because THEY think it's just.
Where would we end if we could all do the things WE think is just. Selfjustice?
Ever thought further than your keyboard?

But yeah, your right, maybe we should send a copy of your post to the leaders of the world so they can all fall down to their knees to hail the mighty Sloi ;)
Yes we should all apply the rule of soloing on RL, break every rule we think is stupid. And the world would finally be a better place!

Sloi, honestly, you really believe in the stuff you're saying??:shakehead

[Sloi sauce]

Sure, how fix it if there are always some smarta$$es thinking they are right when they break the law, just because THEY think it's just.
Where would we end if we could all do the things WE think is just. Selfjustice?
Ever thought further than your keyboard?

But yeah, your right, maybe we should send a copy of your post to the leaders of the world so they can all fall down to their knees to hail the mighty Sloi ;)
Yes we should all apply the rule of soloing on RL, break every rule we think is stupid. And the world would finally be a better place!

Sloi, honestly, you really believe in the stuff you're saying??:shakehead

Right, so blacks and gays should have just settled for slavery and crucifixion? There are such things as unjust rules, and your failure to recognize it prevents progress. You're not helping, so stay out of the way...

[Webs961]

I don't think that's what that means. I think what they're going for is that if we applied that principle to every rule and every law that we, personally, did not agree with.


For example. I think I am a safe driver. I know that the speed limit is put in place as a general safety measure for everyone. But, since I'm a safe driver, I can shove the speedometer up to 100 MPH, so long as I can make sure I'm not going to hit anything.

Some laws are put in place to protect the population from itself (see the laws on J-walking or no U-turns in certain intersections).

[Chris_Redfield]

Which is why certain rules and laws are welcomed, and some, even if you disagree with, if abided by everyone, have more positive effects than others.

This is not the case, when were dealing with a country (server), marshalled by Klingons (server admins, clanners), who create rules and laws to control the lifestyle of the population (server visitors) because they cant cope with the play dynamics "fresh blood" brings with itsself.

"No camping" is the oldest such rule in the book.

[camper.]

I'm not sure how slavery is akin to the plight of the restricted keyboard combatant but it's a ****ing game, christ...


Which is why certain rules and laws are welcomed, and some, even if you disagree with, if abided by everyone, have more positive effects than others.

This is not the case, when were dealing with a country (server), marshalled by Klingons (server admins, clanners), who create rules and laws to control the lifestyle of the population (server visitors) because they cant cope with the play dynamics "fresh blood" brings with itsself.

"No camping" is the oldest such rule in the book.


Actually, it would be more like the immigration department (admins) enforcing their already decided laws and *shock, horror*, kicking out illegal immigrants (h4x0rs) and those who overstayed their visas or broke the law (soloers).

Anyway, if a person is prepared to put their money where their mouth is and actually run a server, they can run it however the flying **** they like, within laws that matter (i.e. laws that weren't made by keyboard supersoldiers which haven't seen daylight for weeks). And no, I'm not talking about EACS.

DICE enabled everyone to have the 4 seconds required to switch & fire, but they also allowed anyone who paid for it to get admin privileges. Deal with it, or stfu, and I prefer the latter. If you're so l33t, convert some of your skill into $$$ and buy your own ****ing server.

[Sloi sauce]

Yes, because buying a server for a game on its way out is a terrific idea. ;)

No thanks, I'll stick to disobeying unjust rules until airmap servers run out,
at which point I can fully switch to COD4 and play the way I want without
being told the contrary by some 12 year old with the IQ of a doorknob.

[[Expletive Deleted]]

I'm not sure how slavery is akin to the plight of the restricted keyboard combatant but it's a ****ing game, christ...

The thing is, it's a slippery slope.

When the Admins came for the uncap rapers,
I remained silent;
I was not an uncap raper.

When they locked up the dolphin divers,
I remained silent;
I was not a dolphin diver.

When they came for the bunny hoppers,
I did not speak out;
I was not a bunny hopper.

When they came for the soloists,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a soloist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

The same thing obviously plays out in the real world. When they take away assault rifles, very few people care. Those are for nutjobs in Montana. When they tap your phone line to look for "terrorists," you say, "I have nothing to hide." When they scan your computer without cause, you say, "I'm not a pirate, go ahead." When they start telling people what to think and how to think it, are you going to say, "I don't care, I don't think much on my own anyhow?"

[Chris_Redfield]

Actually, it would be more like the immigration department (admins) enforcing their already decided laws and *shock, horror*, kicking out illegal immigrants (h4x0rs) and those who overstayed their visas or broke the law (soloers).


Except that immigration rules, regulations and laws make sense, and are there for the benefit of the whole nation. The rules against soloers dont benefit anyone else except for server admins who have to play on that server on a daily basis, so they see what the machine can do. Very few servers have that rule set up, just to enforce 100% teamwork on all levels, and even then, a soloer is just as much of a teamplayer, as a crew is.

So, your immigration example is not exact, unless you modify it.

Immigration department will only allow the immigrants in, if they work at McDonalds, only for minimum wage and live only in specifically assigned projects.

[camper.]

Except that immigration rules, regulations and laws make sense, and are there for the benefit of the whole nation. The rules against soloers dont benefit anyone else except for server admins who have to play on that server on a daily basis, so they see what the machine can do. Very few servers have that rule set up, just to enforce 100% teamwork on all levels, and even then, a soloer is just as much of a teamplayer, as a crew is.

So, your immigration example is not exact, unless you modify it.

Immigration department will only allow the immigrants in, if they work at McDonalds, only for minimum wage and live only in specifically assigned projects.


Well hey, if they want to enforce apartheid then you have no bloody choice in the matter, considering nobody is forcing you in.

I guess, if we're comparing BF2 to real life, a lot of l33t people are also highly masochistic. Odd fetish, but whatever floats your boat, as they say.


Yes, because buying a server for a game on its way out is a terrific idea. ;)

No thanks, I'll stick to disobeying unjust rules until airmap servers run out,
at which point I can fully switch to COD4 and play the way I want without
being told the contrary by some 12 year old with the IQ of a doorknob.

Such a game on its way out that it has more players than more or less all the new FPS (=/= COD4) games out since combined?

Anyway, I doubt a 12 year old kid is paying for the server. And if the person paying for the server wants you to GTFO, then tough. One command/button press is all it takes for them to do it anyway.

At least it's not counterstrike, where you're kicked and banned permanently when the admin sees fit. In any case, you're free to piss people off on the ranked servers but that's purely because they aren't upholding their part of the contract anyway.

The solution is simple - soloing on 24/7 Wake Padding Madness (kicked + banned within seconds of an admin coming on - now that's what I call good administration).

[Sloi sauce]

He's not suffering from an injury, because it's true. Most admins have decided that soloing

- is a cheat/exploit, and/or
- too tough to deal with, and/or
- against teamwork, et cetera.

They rarely prevent soloing in order to enforce teamwork. The argument doesn't stand, anyway...

[[Expletive Deleted]]

Some servers started enforcing an anti-soloing rule back when there was a problem with AA losing lock on vehicles without "drivers." They haven't educated themselves on the fact that the exploit was fixed so they still enforce the rule. There really is no reason to enforce a rule against soloing these days. Considering how many people seem to think 2 people in the chopper are better than one, you'd think admins would WANT a soloer on the other team. It would be a handicap against their opponent, right?

[Skaggy]

Some servers started enforcing an anti-soloing rule back when there was a problem with AA losing lock on vehicles without "drivers." They haven't educated themselves on the fact that the exploit was fixed so they still enforce the rule. There really is no reason to enforce a rule against soloing these days. Considering how many people seem to think 2 people in the chopper are better than one, you'd think admins would WANT a soloer on the other team. It would be a handicap against their opponent, right?

It just so happens that soloers are normally skilled players, and the admins use their soloing as a reason to kick them.

[imported_DOGGiE52]

It just so happens that soloers are normally skilled players, and the admins use their soloing as a reason to kick them.

That is indeed the reason behind everything. If you have a too skilled jet pilot for example, you can kick him for "fighting above uncap", just to mention one of the many stupid reasons available for admins to chose from.

[Rugerdog]

The fact that people are comparing BF2 server rules to apartheid and crucifixion just scares me.

[Webs961]

We're done here. The personal attacks will not stop, so the thread gets a lock.